How strange that you cannot 'duplicate' the problem - it's produced by following instructions you gave me to put the menu in a Vertical position for that template. Look at the message thread here. At any rate, I'm using my Developer's license to check out ALL of the wares found here. It's a lonely place - not much activity, but I'm learning how things go.. Delighted that some of the stuff is supported by Joomla 5 (can't wait for 6) - and sad to see that the documentation in most cases is Joomla 3 or sometimes 4 . I know it takes a lot to support this wide range of products. in my years.. 'Do you know how many times I've heard the phrases' "Cannot Duplicate" and "Let us on your site to debug our stuff" ?