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#259106

<em>@bigrk 65629 wrote:</em><blockquote>My mistake, I thought that this was posted in a public forum originally.</blockquote>

bigrk,

“All is well that ends well?” 🙂

Cornelio

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#259107

<em>@tcraw1010 65600 wrote:</em><blockquote>Unless you are willing to give it a chance, such is only your subjective opinion.</blockquote>

Well stated Tom.

Cornelio

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#259108

<em>@mfcphil 65637 wrote:</em><blockquote>Great News!!!

Did I read correctly……Did Hung suggest that members would be compensated if they ever went to one template a month

If I am reading this correctly I would say that this is a huge step forward for this company.

WELL DONE:D 😀 :D</blockquote>

I do not represent the company mfcphil, but if I were them, I would cease, the two per month advertisement; the let current membership of customers run their course. After a year, Joomlart could invite customers to renew their membership, based on one a month.

That will minimize the cost, for Joomlart.

Cornelio

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#259109

<em>@toddah 65640 wrote:</em><blockquote>The answer here is pretty obvious to me: Add more designers/developers/testers/support to deliver two good, supported templates per month. And if JA stuck to their published release schedule every month, that would be good too. Why isn’t there more talk about this as opposed to 2vs1?</blockquote>

No customer is prevented from discussing their reason for their vote toddah. So, give it your best shot.

I will include your reasoning above.

Cornelio

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#259136

<em>@jwellman 65660 wrote:</em><blockquote>I voted for one template a month. I would rather have quality vs. quantity. Problem is not enough members are voting. The handful of voters cannot speak for the thousands who do not frequent the forum.
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Hi jwellman,
Then post a topic in the forum for the template that you use, and invite people to participate in the poll.

This is not an election, but a poll. You really do not need everyone to vote. I a truly scientific poll, where participants are selected statistically, a few thousand can represent the entire US with a population of more than 300 million.

So, in this poll, you should ask: Is there inherent bias that will predispose those who vote for the first choice or the second choice? If not, then any number of votes will be reflective of the whole. Of course, the more the better. So, encourage people to vote.

<em>@jwellman 65660 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Hung has assured the purchasers that they would receive two templates a month. I would suggest a bulk member email that is worded, “Due to time limitations, we are reverting back to one template a month beginning (month) 2008”, and see what kind of response he gets. If it is an overwhelming negative response perhaps something can be done to satisfy the multitude such as, “We apologize for the inconvenience and have added one month to your membership status.”

Such a promotion could be too difficult but it may help calm the angry crowd (if in fact there is one).
Personally I don’t care if it goes back to one. Building two templates a month is obviously too difficult, unless proper staffing is increased.</blockquote>

My own suggestion: If Joomlart plans to go to one template per month, they must do the following:

1. Stop advertising two templates per month,
2. Announce in the forum why.they are doing the previous step. This should be done both in the

*Joomlart Homepage
*News and Announcements
*Pre-Sales Questions

3. If the activation date is 6month from now, at least a third of the customers would definitely not be compensated.
4. Provide customers whose membership has not lapse, some form of compensation for the period that has not lapsed yet. Instead of monetary compensation, customers may be given choices

*Increase the duration of membership for the same period that has not lapsed yet, during the activation date
*Provide free access to their choice of the JA Extensions that are extra cost to regular members.

Cornelio

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#259649

Seems that “one a month” is the overwhelming choice amongst those who voted.

Wonder if Hung will actually listen this time.

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#259652

<em>@tcraw1010 66381 wrote:</em><blockquote>Wonder if Hung will actually listen this time.</blockquote>

I doubt that Tom

If the figure on the front page is correct “with over 21250 satisfied members (and counting)…” and only 19 votes in this poll, I doubt there will be much action!

Shame, I personally do believe that one per month is the way to go.

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#259684

I remember when I was freshman in college. Many of my friends, we live in the same big house, were recruited by the elder sister to join this group.

As part of the initiation, were were subjected to all sorts of indoctrination — to be able to understand the root causes of the problems of our country. During the “finals” of the initiation they asked me: What is the cause of the problem?

I had a simple answer: Indifference.

What they wanted me to say back as an answer is their own pet “ism” — feudalism vs imperialism — depending on the political leanings of the group. I consider those just the ramifications, like the symptoms of the disease. In my mind, it was apathy of the masses. They complain but never take the correct action. And, to this day, the problems persist and getting worse.

Same problem here — many complain but not take action. How come only that much number voted?

Apathy.

Just imagine if just 10% of those 21250 “satisfied customers” band together and tell Joomlart, do this or else….

Cornelio

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#259686

obviously i would like to get more for my money but then again i am not getting the quality.

i’m not complaining as I’ll probably stick with 1 template for a while anyways.

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#259687

Sorry Cornelio

<em>@cgc0202 66420 wrote:</em><blockquote>Apathy.
</blockquote>

I just realised my above post was somewhat apathetic :((

My excuse is I’ve been at the keyboard for 14 hours so far today … plus, I’ve come to realise that no amount of asking for ‘official’ JA help here has any result.

I guess eventually, you get ground down and join the masses 😉

Sure I’ll be back tomorrow with more positive ‘calls to action’!

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#259710

<em>@anisjolly 66422 wrote:</em><blockquote>obviously i would like to get more for my money but then again i am not getting the quality.

i’m not complaining as I’ll probably stick with 1 template for a while anyways.</blockquote>

That is what I am doing with the Teline II also. As I have done with the original Teline. I have not done extensive search, but in spite of its problems, Joomlart Teline II is still the best in its aesthetic layout among the Magazine templates I have seen.

And, to my knowledge, while there are already quite a few news template, I know only of two Magazine template — Joomlart and RocketTheme. That was why I lambasted a customer here foisting a very very bad news (not magazine) template as a substitute for JA Teline II.

He claims he reviewed it, but I do not think he went beyond the Homepage.

You have to look at RocketTheme (Joomlart is ahead by two months) to understand what I mean about aesthetic look. It has many good features, I wish Joomlart adopts, but the overall feel does not look like a professional newsmagazine.

Cornelio

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#259712

<em>@questbg 66424 wrote:</em><blockquote>Sorry Cornelio

I just realised my above post was somewhat apathetic :((

My excuse is I’ve been at the keyboard for 14 hours so far today … plus, I’ve come to realise that no amount of asking for ‘official’ JA help here has any result.

I guess eventually, you get ground down and join the masses 😉

Sure I’ll be back tomorrow with more positive ‘calls to action’!</blockquote>

I did not even have you in mind Chris, just the general percentage of the masses, the voluminous complaints all over the board but when it comes to doing something most take the easy way out.

Some just kept on taking.

Just last week, I spent almost a day with a guy who had a problem worse than the one you experienced regarding articles not going to the correct Categories. His in fact had all the Sections and Categories decoupled from the articles. I had double (blurred vision after I was through with his problem well into the night). I asked quite very detailed question and provide route path to diagnose the problem, in order to solve it.

He did thank me, because it save him from starting all over again, his site is actually more extensive than yours already. So, it would be a lot of work.

Anyway, he had a feature in his site that I did not know how to do, and he gave me a cryptic one line — “What do you want to know? I just did an align left.”

What, where, how, etc.?

Anyway, after we solved his problem, which is the most common mistake among new users, I requested him to share with me his index.php and revised CSS. That was early last week. No response in his thread, since then.

You on the other hand is different from many here. You do ask questions, but not only did you share you share what you found, that helped me quite a bit too. And now, I can see how much you are trying to help others too.

That attitude should be the essence and goal of a Collaborative Support Group.

It took me much longer to help technically. It was my trial by fire, while navigating the Gavick Pro templates that helped me quite a bit. Gavick Pro does not have a QuickStat kit while I was with them. However, they have much clearer manual and other tutorials, not as detailed, but enough for me to go back to, and retrace where I did incorrectly — truly trial and error, and the tenacity and spirit not to give up.

I have Edison to thank for that. I am not sure if he really did a thousand trials before his got the light bulb to work.

Cornelio

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#261195

Maybe one way of getting some really good feedback on this would be if JA staff were to e-mail every single member (why not, they’ve got the contact info?), and ask them to please visit this thread and vote.

If after, say, 500-1000 votes the swing is still heavily in favour of one per month, then they should give it more serious thought?

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#261198

E-mailing everyone was the result the last time there was a poll about this. JA was going to implement a program to email all the members but never did. They currently do not have a way to email everyone. Go figure.

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#264148

The more than 2 to 1 (or almost 70-30) split seems to be holding — even if there are only a few voters.

They make Gallup Polls based on a thousand to more than 300 million Americans. While this poll is not random, it is still telling that those who decided to vote preferred going to one template per month, by a wide margin.

Cornelio

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