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#129653

To Joomlart Staff and Members:

I reported this bug:

Bug: ja_catslwi.css missing in Joomla 1.5.x kit
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/bug-ja_catslwi-css-missing-in-joomla-1-5-x-kit/

but one of the Moderators, nguoiabcd, stated that he checked and it was there. To quote his post:

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“Hi.
Seem you said about Ja_catslwi module of teline 2.
i have checked again package and ja_catslwi.css is the“

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When I reported the bug, the copy I downloaded was on May 23, 2008.

So, I made a download again today June 13, 2008. I included the particulars of the downloads below.

And, here are the findings:

Joomla! 1.5.x : Quickstart included Joomla! 1.5.3 + Template & Extensions installation packages

still no ja_catslwi.css for both the QuickStart kit, or just the template

JA Teline II v1.2 for Joomla! 1.0.x : Quickstart included Joomla! 1.0.15 + Template & Extensions

ja_catslwi.css is present in the QuickStart kit.

So, I do not understand the discrepancy between in the finding of nguoiabcd and mine. What is certain is that all my downloads are consistent, eliminating fidelity errors.

What is certain is that many posters could not find the CSS specifications associated with ja_catslwi.css — perhaps because, like my downloads, it is problem that ja_catslwi.css in the Joomla 1.5x-Teline II kit.

So, just to test if this is true. Can members who installed the Joomla 1.5x-Teline II QuickStart kit take the Poll.

To test the premise, it will be limited to:

Poll: Do you find the ja_catslwi.css in your CSS?

To find ja_catslwi.css:

templates => ja_teline_ii => css => ja_catslwi.css

Answer:

Yes: if you find it as shown
No: if you do not find it

Thanks.

Cornelio

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#253439

I found it in Extensions, not Templates:

Main Teline II folder – Extensions – mod_ja_catslwi – mod_ja_catslwi – ja_catslwi.css

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#253441

modulesmod_ja_catslwimod_ja_catslwi/ja_catslwi.css
This is where i find the css file for hte module. This is from the first version of the quickstart package.
I downloaded a new one and its still there. So the css file is not missing.

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#253446

oops. Sorry Cornelio, I was talking about my ‘unzipped’ package on the HD, not on the server! :-[

OK, on the server I checked out your path and all I have in that folder seems to be:

Not the CSS you mention. I downloaded tempalte on May 20th.

Is this what you were asking? I’m still a ‘newbie’ you know! 😎

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#253454

<em>@Menalto 58912 wrote:</em><blockquote>
modulesmod_ja_catslwimod_ja_catslwi/ja_catslwi.css
This is where i find the css file for hte module. This is from the first version of the quickstart package.
I downloaded a new one and its still there. So the css file is not missing.</blockquote>

Hi Menalto,

In Joomla 1.0x, the ja_catslwi.css is found in the ja_teline_ii folder, just like the other css that are used in the front end?

My question then is this:

1. Where should the ja_catslwi.css be located? the modules directory or the ja_teline_ii => css directory?

Is one location better than the other?

2. Apparently, the other major css are also found in the ja_teline_ii => css directory:

/templates/ja_teline_ii/css/ja.news.css
/templates/ja_teline_ii/css/ja.news.fp.css
/templates/ja_teline_ii/css/template.css
/templates/ja_teline_ii/css/typo.css

This seems to be the one used by Joomlart for the Joomla 1.0x — JA Teline II QuickStart kit. Why the change in Joomla 1.5x — JA Teline II QuickStart kit?

What is so special about ja_catslwi.css that it has to be in the modules directory specifically in Joomla 1.5x — JA Teline II QuickStart kit?

3. During the installation, is the ja_catslwi.css that you states is in the modules going to remain in the modules, or would it have been tansported to the

/templates/ja_teline_ii/css/

Even if it is valid for it to be modules directory, i.e., it works there, how would users know this, if there was no “guide” to say so?

If you did not post the above, I do not think that users would normally look for a css in the modules directory.

This is the core of the problems and difficulties encountered here at Joomlart. The webdesigners move things around — as if it is part of the exercise that customers then look where they hid things.

As stated by many customers, without a complete manual (including FAQs and modules Tutorials) — we end up asking questions that should never been asked, repeatedly, as each customers find different forms of the problem.

Cornelio

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#253465

<em>@questbg 58910 wrote:</em><blockquote>I found it in Extensions, not Templates:

Main Teline II folder – Extensions – mod_ja_catslwi – mod_ja_catslwi – ja_catslwi.css</blockquote>

Hi Chris,

Yes, it is more specifically fond in the modules directory, as Menalto indicated, but if you look at the modules of the ja news and the frontpage, their css were found in the modules but also in the templates => js_teline_ii

I am not sure whether it will work, if it is not found in templates => js_teline_ii, or whether its presence in the modules would suffice.

The later would work only if the route path for the css specification of ja_catslwi.css (see below for example) is defined in the script to point to the module directory:

/modules/mod_ja_catslwi /ja_catslwi.css

However, if it was defined as:

/templates/ja_teline_ii/css/ja_catslwi.css

then, even if the ja_catslwi.css is in the modules, it is good as missing.

Cornelio

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Example of defining the route path of a css
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<html><head>
<title>Treasures of the Internet @NET :: Web Resources</title>
<link rel="StyleSheet" href="/styles/toti1.css" type="text/css" title="toti Style Sheet">
</head>
<body>

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#253478

I do think I got you Cornelio,
I copied the ja_catslwi.css
to the CSS folder then added the line:

<link rel="stylesheet" href="<?php echo $tmpTools->templateurl(); ?>/css/ja_catslwi.css" type="text/css" />

to the index.php

VOILA it works!

This must be a serious BUG. It cant be good programing to use a css from one module acting on a compleatly different one.
I am in no way an expert or even php /joomla programer but I have earned a living doing OO programing and web using standard HTML and ColdFusion since 1996 and this is NOT in my book.

Bosse

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#253551

<em>@bossep 58958 wrote:</em><blockquote>I do think I got you Cornelio,
I copied the ja_catslwi.css
to the CSS folder then added the line:

<link rel="stylesheet" href="<?php echo $tmpTools->templateurl(); ?>/css/ja_catslwi.css" type="text/css" />

to the index.php

VOILA it works!

This must be a serious BUG. It cant be good programing to use a css from one module acting on a compleatly different one.
I am in no way an expert or even php /joomla programer but I have earned a living doing OO programing and web using standard HTML and ColdFusion since 1996 and this is NOT in my book.

Bosse</blockquote>

Hi Bosse,

After reading Menalto’s and Chris’s posts again, as well as the related post in another thread about the Hot Topic, I looked at the stylesheet specification in the Joomla1.5x-JA Teline II, and indeed it pointed to the modules, rather than the expected css in the template for the ja_teline_ii.

I should have looked more closely. That was why adding ja_catslwi.css alone to the css directory would not work, unless the script modification you suggested is done.

Parallel template design

Because of the way it was configured in Joomla 1.0x -JA Teline II, I just assumed that the stylesheets route path are the same for Joomla 1.5x -JA Teline II too.

At least, if I were the webdesigner, I would make parallel scripts as much as possible, assuming both Joomla would allow such configuration.

I get the feeling that the developers for Joomla 1.0x -JA Teline II may not always be the same person, or they were working as a team with not much coordination in the general framework. The other possibility is that if there is a single developer for both is more disorganized than I am.:)

I really do not know much programming, to judge whether the significant discrepancies in the “architecture” of Joomla 1.0x -JA Teline II and Joomla 1.5x -JA Teline II was imposed by the different beast that is Joomla 1.5x.

In general, what I found in the modules, for example, is that in Joomla 1.5x, it require more directories to access a file, compared to the way same files were presented in Joomla 1.0x.

The systematic filing of files into directories (at least that was what I noted with the modules), in the Joomla 1.5 version, indeed made it more neat. But did this contribute to the snail pace presentation of the JA Teline II when Joomla 1.5x compared with the Joomla 1.0x?

In real life, if you use more doors, or shelves before you can access what you want, then it slows your progress. Not so bad if you just want to access one object (or file), but think of perhaps hundreds or even thousands — then it could really slow you down; trying to get them form multi-doors (or multi-directories) placements.

The stylesheet is no different, if you keep them in different rooms (or directories), and you need them all to create a page, would that slow you down? Common sense would tell you it would.

I shall present my findings in a separate post when I have a chance. I will try to be more systematic where I place the different versions of Joomla, and Joomla-Teline II kits so that we can all experience how fast the presentation. Then we could study and perhaps collectively understand what really is going on.

Google can provide search results sampling the whole “universe” of the internet in split second but it takes forever to get the Joomla1.5-JA Teline to show up as a page. A great part may be the server, but I understand the speeds in Google search were mainly from optimized scripting of the search program.

I wonder if the Joomla-Teline II can be optimized also.

Cornelio

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#253554

Hello Cornelio,
Yes you are thinking right. There is a lot of overhead with php, joomla, mysql.
There is also a tendency that when software evolves it uses more and more memory and other resources.
For instance, my first web server was running on an Intel 386 processor 33 MHz and 1 Mb of memory. This was connected to the Internet with a 64K dedicated line and I was king of the Internet.
I did see some significant improvement when upped the memory allocation on my server.
One thing I know is that sloppy code normally doesn’t improve the performance especially if a program has to look for something that is not there. Also when using a framework like Joomla you normally have a lot of routines that are not always used but is there for “just in case” and then error handling that protect us from our self’s!
I am going to learn the inner works of Joomla when I get back as well as mySQL it is a lot of improvement that could be done in that end!
Well I hope I can fix my site this weekend as I am going for a 1 month trip to Europe on Monday and will not have time for much play.

Bosse

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#253556

<em>@bossep 59055 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hello Cornelio,
Yes you are thinking right. There is a lot of overhead with php, joomla, mysql.
There is also a tendency that when software evolves it uses more and more memory and other resources.
For instance, my first web server was running on an Intel 386 processor 33 MHz and 1 Mb of memory. This was connected to the Internet with a 64K dedicated line and I was king of the Internet.
I did see some significant improvement when upped the memory allocation on my server.
One thing I know is that sloppy code normally doesn’t improve the performance especially if a program has to look for something that is not there. Also when using a framework like Joomla you normally have a lot of routines that are not always used but is there for “just in case” and then error handling that protect us from our self’s!
I am going to learn the inner works of Joomla when I get back as well as mySQL it is a lot of improvement that could be done in that end!
Well I hope I can fix my site this weekend as I am going for a 1 month trip to Europe on Monday and will not have time for much play.

Bosse</blockquote>

Hi Bosse,

I have high speed. cable connection and it is still very slow.

I shall try to see if I can entice VisiGod, Menalto and others who know more scripting can become interested in optimizing the script.

Cornelio

P.S.
Good luck with the site and have a good time during your vacation.

By the way, I have not gotten a chance to respond to your last PM. In short:

Avoid three-columns, if you plan to use images also.
Make sure if you use h1 and h2, the effect will be shown only in the full article, not in the “Intro Page”. How did you do this with the “elephant” article?

The host of JoomlaWorks suggested a very neat solution (to what you did — normal in intro page but h1 in full article). It worked before in my previous JA Teline as well as Gavick templates, but when I tried it in JA Teline II, the trick did not work.

I shall try again, but it is too bad, if it will not work.

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#253559

The “module” layout for 1.5, well it does not require more “backdoors”, its more split up in different parts.
For Joomla 1.0.xx version you had “almost” all code in one file, one some modules for 1.5 you have that also, in short:

mod_ja_catslwi.php: Here is where the “output” for the module is.
mod_ja_catslwi.xml: This is the installation file for the module, all files and folders you have for the module needs to be added here, if not it wont be installed(uploaded). Here is also the main functions for the module added. Take a look here, this is for the first version of the module for Teline and the css file is missing from the installer:

<files>
<filename module="mod_ja_catslwi">mod_ja_catslwi.php</filename>
<filename module="mod_ja_catslwi">helper.php</filename>
<filename module="mod_ja_catslwi">index.html</filename>
<filename module="mod_ja_catslwi">mod_ja_catslwi/mod_ja_catslwi.js</filename>
<filename module="mod_ja_catslwi">mod_ja_catslwi/mootools.v1.1.js</filename>
<filename module="mod_ja_catslwi">mod_ja_catslwi/mootools.v1.1.pak.js</filename>
<filename module="mod_ja_catslwi">mod_ja_catslwi/index.html</filename>
</files>
helper.php: This is where the “code” for getting data from the database is.
You have a folder called mod_ja_catslwi where the css and js files is stored. And the mod_ja_catslwi.php have links to that folder for include.

There is many ways to set up, create, install, add files etc for the modules. You can have ten different folders including one file each or pack it in two files only.
Since the JA-Catslwi module is for Teline it wont do any harm to have all css files added into the template itself. But if someone not using Teline they have a problem, then they need to get the css file from Teline and add it to the template.
By including everything in the module you have a “stand alone product” that dont require you to do anything else than just install and configure it.

When it comes to optimizing, this template is heavy to load, very heavy. So some sort of tweaking should be done somehow.

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#253568

Hello Cornelio,
Sothing went wrong betweem Teline II ver.1 and 1.3.1 This was nicly and gracefully working in ver 1 but not in 1.3.1 If I get time I will merge some css to avoid your “door concept” I do think that classes that influence more than one module or component should be in a centralized location NOT in one of the modules. That is BAD design in my book.
Elephant article: I just used a template ver 1 that works. That is the way it should work! and it creates perfect html both in the front page and detail page. But I do think that ver. 1 was cosistand with Joomla design rules and it is there someware things got screwed up.

My problem now is that I have been touching so much so I probably should do a compleate install but you know how long that takes… not good on a production site!

Bosse

Bosse

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#255268

I had the same speed problem, however following the instructions I disabled the JAZin Plugin (used to create the menus in the beginning) and I saw I significant improvement.
For modules though that I don’t use cache it still gets quite long to load!

Any optimisation idea?

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#255279

<em>@plinakos 61091 wrote:</em><blockquote>I had the same speed problem, however following the instructions I disabled the JAZin Plugin (used to create the menus in the beginning) and I saw I significant improvement.
For modules though that I don’t use cache it still gets quite long to load!

Any optimisation idea?</blockquote>

Hi plinakos,

Load speed is indeed a great issue. New York Times, as very complex online news paper sometimes even load faster than my JA Teline II pages.

I really hope this is an area that is always address by webdesigners. A slow website will not be very appealing to visit these days.

Cornelio

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