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#121823

and a better search menu, for your site(s) and not just the forum.

Hello,

Ok, I am knew. And, it is somewhere there, but I cannot find it, if there is no decent search menu.

To veterans using Joomla and the templates, they might know the process intuitively already.

I looked at the JA Teline section, there are five (5) components. Is it self evident where each one goes in the Joomla scheme?

The User’s Guide is supposed to have something about installation:

“JA Teline is provided with a Quick start installation including: 1. Joomla! 1.0.12 Stable [ Sunfire ] 25 December 2006 01:00 UTC 2. JA Teline Template 3. JA Teline Demo Site sample database”

There is a directory(folder) for images, scripts, stylesheet (.css), and a User’s Guide. I looked at the users guide table of contents. Where is the promised quick installation guide? It discusses mainly about what to do after you were able to install them (but how and where?)

JoomlArt: JA Teline – User’s Guide

* 1. Introduction
* 2. Menu Types Configuration
* 3. Screen Resolution Configuration
* 4. Font Resizer Configuration
* 5. Color Configuration
* 6. Tools Configuration
* 7. Typography
* 8. JA Hidden Panel (Member Area)
* 9. JA Tabs
* 10. JA News
* 11. Frequently Asked Questions
* 12. Help & Support

It discusses about a JA News:

10. JA News

“JA Teline is integrated with JA News module. Create ja-news position, go to JA Teline download section, download mod_ja_news_for_teline.zip and then install and publish the module to this position.”

It is somewhere there, but I do not see it in the JA Teline download section. Perhaps a good search menu would help. Or, I am just a newbie and need some assistance (especially if there are multiple components). If they were all self-installing, this won’t be an issue.

So please have mercy on those who are new to Joomla and to your templates.

Cornelio

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#226175

Hi
The reason you get the error when trying to install the quick start package is because it is not just the template.
“JA Teline is provided with a Quick start installation including: 1. Joomla! 1.0.12 Stable [ Sunfire ] 25 December 2006 01:00 UTC 2. JA Teline Template 3. JA Teline Demo Site sample database”
You will need to delete your existing site and ftp all files to your server that are in the quickstart package. The quickstart package comes with a copy of Joomla, preconfigured to look like the demo.
If you don’t want to delete your existing site, just install the template as usual, and configure the rest of the template to look like the demo.

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#226179

Thanks instantinlaw.

If I follow as you instructed should I get exacly as it appeared in the JA Teline Demo?

And what do I do with the rest of the JA Teline package?

1. ja_teline Folder (or is this already in the quick start package)
2. ja_teline_source
3. mod_ja_login Folder

where do they go? And how? (see added notes)

I assume the User Guide:

4. ja_teline_user_guide Folder

is just an instruction procedure, from what I can discern from the TOC outline, for quick reference?

Do you just place this inside the Joomla directory (i.e., the “ja_teline_quickstart Folder”)? Or, is there some other better way of dealing with it?

Cornelio

Notes:

The User guide has some instructions on what to do with the fine tuning of the configurations, and choosing what navigation tools, etc.

If indeed, the Quick start provides something similar to the Demo:

http://template.joomlart.com/ja_teline/

won’t all the above be pre-installed already, if the QuickStart is installed as you stated? In fact, even the JA News should be pre-installed also, already. It looks from the UserGuide that the “first module” in the JA Teline demo (view aforementioned link) is the JA News.

Or, the configuration would look like the Demo (view aforementioned link), if the other components are all added, as well as the JA News, as specified in the UserGuide?

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#226194

@cgc0202

If you follow the advice you will get an exact copy of the Joomlart demo, with all contents, images, positioning and so on as on the demo.

You will then have no use for the teline_source or template or anything else. ( other than using the source for modifying files, graphic and so on )

The Quickstart package requires that you know your way around ( a little bit at least ) in phpmyadmin ( the administration program for the database with your webhost ) and also that you know a little bit about ftp transfer ( as you would need to ftp the files.

Quick start is good when you know a little bit about webdesign but can be quite tricky if you don’t know anything about webdesign/programming.

Hope this helps somewhat.

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#226195

Basically:

1: You can add all and everything yourself, step by step as suggested above by instantinlaw. You would then have to download all the modules and create the positions in the template and so on and also add the content.
OR
2: You can install the quickstart package ( but you would then need access to phpmyadmin and ftp transfer ) Also, you would need to know how to install Joomla ( in case you don’t know how to do that either.

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#226258

Thanks Erik,

Just imagine if what instantinlaw and you are sharing with me now has been included as a short Manual (instructions) in the Quick Start directory, or in the Q&A, for each template — it would be just a few sentences. All those negative comments about the templates would be moot..

I have no background in scripting or programming but with proper instructions I have installed quite a few Joomla myself, and found Joomla to be one of the easiest to install because of their browser-based installation. Actually, I was baffled that it did not require even the slightest change in “permissions” of any of the files or directories — that might mean that.

Will the Quick Install package have the same browser-based install of the stand-alone Joomla?

After “instantinlaw” provided some of the guidelines, I checked the “root content” of the QuickStart and indeed there was a file there that belonged to the JA template (28 vs 27) of the Joomla full package. After that, I looked at the User Guide again, and the process came into place.

A question, I usually use the MySQL database and username setup as well as the “Website tools” of the control panel of the webhosting service that I use. I do use the phpAdmin only to check before and after the install that the database had been created and that the various tables in the database had been populated.

In the case of Joomla installation. what do you use the phpAdmin for? In my Joomla installation, I do not even look at the database anymore because almost always works

I do know how to use the FTP and can revise php files slightlightly, as shown in this prototype of an early Joomla of a site where I incorporated dynamic images coming from almost two dozen independent photogalleries, i.e., separate databases of the Coppermine photogalleries(CPGs) and then used the CPMFetch to integrate the images from the independent photogalleries.

I would have prepared the TikiWiki as my main CMS because it has a very good permissions algorithm, the Joomla permissions is rather primitive compared to TikiWiki. The permissions system is very critical in a collaborative undertakings.

Unfortunately, efforts to integrate dynamic images in the TikiWiki CMS have proven to be more challenging. I can do a similar global image integration of images, as shown above, in TikiWiki format but so far has not succeeded in including dynamic images — from other databases using different applications — in the individual pages of the TikiWiki format.

Considering the number of people in the Joomla community, I was hoping that there might be some people there who help address the issue.

Cornelio

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#226278

I tried to install the Joomla packing using the uploaded contents of the ja_teline_quickstart Folder (and renaming the directory as toti00), prior to this, I created the database with the appropriate username and password for this installation.

I then attempted to do a browser-based installation (the easy way):

http://mysite.org/intro00/installation/

You don’t have permission to access /toti00/installation/index.php on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. (see note below)

So, what am I missing?

In response again to the suggestion of instantinlaw:
<em>@instantinlaw 23310 wrote:</em><blockquote>
You will need to delete your existing site and ftp all files to your server that are in the quickstart package. The quickstart package comes with a copy of Joomla, preconfigured to look like the demo.
</blockquote>
What I have done was create a separate directory fo the QuickStart Folder and renamed it then performed the steps as above.

My question: Is it possible to do the browser-based installation using the contents of the QuickStart Folder?

<em>@instantinlaw 23310 wrote:</em><blockquote>
If you don’t want to delete your existing site, just install the template as usual, and configure the rest of the template to look like the demo.</blockquote>

I do not have to delete, I created another directory (just the Joomla full package with its own database, etc.). My question then to either instantinlaw, Erik or anyone who has done this are these:

[Note, I already know how to do the installation of Joomla using the browser based installation. What is needed is the next steps after that.]

1) What is operation meaning of: “just install the template as usual and and configure the rest of the template to look like the demo“?

Where do the files and directories go, and how

Cornelio
_________
Note:
I did a parallel one for Joomla only. Without providing the detail as above, the one with the Joomla stuff, the browser-based installation works.

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#226287

Hello,

I am really getting frustrated with this. I have installed many many programs before, many even more complex than Joomla.

• I know how to create databases and all needed for the MySQL
• I know how to do FTP
• I know how to change permissions of files and directories.
• etc., etc.

There was never any program I bought before that I have not been able to install and then use properly — provided there is instructions, included. I have no background in webdesign or programming, but provided I can find the “cookbook”, I can do anything I set my mind into. [When I decided that I want to create a webpage, I did in less than a week, starting from zero knowledge of html, layout, etc. This was during the early days of internet (ca mid 1990s), when there were no pre-made packages, and every instructions had to be done by hand, no WYSWYG page templates.]

I should not be spending hours and hours for something that would take less than five minutes to install.

If there is a choice between two templates a month and a good easy to follow instructions for the created template, I would choose the instructions, hands down. An installation procedure should be part of every product, even templates — just like many software companies do.

The User Guide has very detailed procedure for the template layout itself. I think I can follow that once I can do the first part — get the done.

I cannot find a definitive procedure for installing the template properly. I tried doing it the Joomla way (a browser-based installation) and I was denied permission:

“You don’t have permission to access /toti00/installation/index.php on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. ”

More details here:

http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5788

Can one of the staff (not the members) provide a definitive procedure for installation of templates? And, please, even if it seems repetitive, please include a text file in each template package for this step by step procedure, one with visual aids just like the User’s Guide (that is very good). If that guide included an installation procedure, as stated, it would have been quite an excellent manual.

This is really frustrating.

Cornelio

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#226291

You are making this far harder on yourself than you need to make it.
Upload all the files in the quickstart package to the root via ftp, and install the included version of Joomla the same way you have always done it, via the browser.
You should also delete all tables in your database first if you are going to re-use it.
You are probably getting the permission error because you have not set the permissions on the folder you are trying to install Joomla from. If 755 does not work, try 777.
You will have far fewer problems setting up, and configuring Joomla if you run it from the root instead of from a folder.

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#226292

You are making this far harder on yourself than you need to make it.
Upload all the files in the quickstart package to the root via ftp, and install the included version of Joomla the same way you have always done it, via the browser.
You should also delete all tables in your database first if you are going to re-use it.
You are probably getting the permission error because you have not set the permissions on the folder you are trying to install Joomla from. If 755 does not work, try 777.
You will have far fewer problems setting up, and configuring Joomla if you run it from the root instead of from a folder.

<blockquote>
1) What is operation meaning of: “just install the template as usual and and configure the rest of the template to look like the demo“?

Where do the files and directories go, and how
</blockquote>

If you don’t know how to install a template, there is a very good Joomla user guide HERE

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#226293

Very well said and defined instantinlaw! It is as simple as described. 😉

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#226298

bigrk;23453Very well said and defined instantinlaw! It is as simple as described. 😉

Let’s hope so bigrk. 😉

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#226301

Hi instaninlaw:

MiCCAS was kind enough to provide the “tutorial” that truly answers my questions. There is nothing that I am doing that is incorrect (as shown below).

Something is missing or flawed in the JA Teline Quick Start Forlder

This might be due to not all the files in the folder (during the dowload, a fidelity of copy issue of downloading). Or, there is really something missing before the download itself (and the latter must be corrected, if it is the case).

Either case, I can resolve shortly.

Here is a progress report of my diagnosis of the problem (copying my last email, so far, to MiCCAS)

************
Hi MiCCAS,

I tried the paritti, like the Demo, and it worked using the Quick Start for the template, as you can see:

http://treasuresoftheinternet.org/jtoti02/

The one for JA Teline is complete.

What I have shown so far, is that both pure Joomla and the Joomla- JA Pariiti (Quick Start) are fine and installed properly.

I will re-download another oneJA Teline and make another installation, and see if the problem persists.

Then, if the problem persists, it means the problem is in the JA Teline Quick Start.

Cornelio
*************

N.B.
______
Initial response of MiCCAS.

[Notes: Both links should be stickies in all template forums, and must be included in all the User’s Guide. It would have saved a lot of time. The Search must be improved to be able to show this also when the term “install” or “installation” is searched.]
_________
** Re: Please help with the installation instructions
Hi There!

Alright, we have some tutorials uploaded to our tutorials site, so hopefully that’ll help you out.

For a plain install of the template, but not quickstart try:
http://tutorials.joomlart.com/general/install-a-joomla-template.html

For a quickstart install try:
http://tutorials.joomlart.com/general/install-a-quickstart-package.html

Hope that helps!

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#226302

I’m glad you’ve found your answers. So this thread is solved?

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#226304

Not yet, but after going through a series of eliminations and without some parallel installations, it would not have been resolved. I found it finally but no member should have been made to undergo through such trial and errors.

Even MiCCAS, who I assume is a veteran, was not able to lead me immediately to the reason for the problem. In his third response, he thought it was possibly that the installation directory that is missing. The information I provide to him in my previous response would show right away that it was not the problem.

And, as a request from to the staff and founders of the company, the problem encountered underscores that there really is a need to have a good installation manual and a FAQ of what could go wrong and how to solve them must be included in eeach template release.

To prove the point:

Could all the moderators or those who want to participate suggest possiblities why this message appeared:

“Forbidden
You don’t have permission to access /toti00/installation/index.php on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.”

The problem is not self-eviden or obvioust — especially to new users.

The quiz is also a good test of the deductive capabilities of everyone. Most likely, those who have tried the template may already know the problem. Those who have background in scripting might be able to tell immediately what was causing the problem. But even veteran users, with no scripting background and without guidance might not be able to find the cause of the problem immediately.

So, let us see who can provide the correct diagnosis first.

In the meantime, I will try to finish the installation and the perform suggested stuff in the User’s Guide.

Thanks.

Cornelio

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