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#237880

I think that it is best for all to keep a friendly tone and just make the best of things. Everyone does the best they can. We all have made decisions that we couldn’t keep in the past, unles you’re a saint. JA is one of the best, let’s not distract them from doing what they are great at, by talking nasty and stuff. Let’s keep things nice, no matter what. That’s what I propose.

Enjoy!
Tom

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#237881

<em>@one7media 38806 wrote:</em><blockquote>

I forgot something…I wanted to comment on the requests for a Teline II. I don’t get it? You complain about “the same old thing” but yet in the same breath ask for “the same old thing”. How about making a request for something better than Teline, and not “Teline with a few mods”. I personally would like to see DIFFERENT TEMPLATES EVERY MONTH. I don’t want Teline II, Avian II, Fagus II, blah blah blah. It sounds like the modifications being requested on these templates is what JA plans to do with 1 template per month….more variations in 1 release. That sounds good to me.

Anyway…just my two cents. Don’t take it personally ; )</blockquote>

Well I do not want to use your phrase DIFFERENT TEMPLATES EVERY MONTH. That is where we differ. Let us say you have a site or several sites, are you going to change your site template every month. Obviously, you would not. The different templates each month would serve the interest of developers who wanted to provide their clients.

I do not know about the others who proposed about Teline II, but I think you made your judgment about us, without even reading what we have already been stating we wanted, or wish we could accomplish together — perhaps with the help of the staff, and some of the volunteers who already agreed to help.

I think your concept of Teline II, is more the movie Rocky, Rocky II, Rocky III…. I do not know how many actually. Essentially the production of another version, simply because the first one was a hit.

If that is all you can grasp, then I understand your derision of those who clamored for Teline II. If that was really what they wanted, I would be ashame to be part of that group either.

So, let me provide a real life example of what I have in mind (as I cannot speak for the others); perhaps not the best, but it has stature.

Think of New York Times (NYT). If you ever saw their old internet sites, it seemed as if there were only subtle changes from the start to what it is now, if you “grew” in the internet with NYT. But, if you were just privy to the first and the existing online version, you would be amazed how much the features have changed, even if their layout seemed to remain essentially as it was from the beginning.

What NYT tried to do over the years was not reinvent their layout every month, nor every year nor create NYT II, just for the sake of changing.

Rather what they are trying to do is to evolve with time, improve from what they started with. It was driven to find modes to entice readers to visit again and again. Of course, no matter how good the site looks, eventually it is the content that matters. Thus, what they tried to do is find ways to make their contents easy to access — or to be discovered by the casual reader. For example, by integrating bits of the articles in other articles, or sections.

That is the idea behind Teline II (not Rambo II and the next sequels)

Teline has promise as a newsportal. It is the main reason why I joined Joomlart — not because Joomlar could make 1 or 2 templates per month.

But Teline I has many limitations. For example, as advance as it is, Teline I does not have the features of NYT . When you click ion the NYT heading Technology, it does not lead you to a list of links of articles (like Teline I does). Instead the NYT Technology is essentially a “separate” Newsletter (in relation to JA Teline features) but still integral part of NYT.

Won’t it be nice if Teline II could do that? Actually, that might be Teline III or Teline IV? because the scripting needed to achieve what the NYT software could do that is quite challenging. They alloted big budgets to do that (not $70 or development member cost budget).

So, perhaps Teline II shall be more modest in its evolution, a process that will keep on going.

How about including all those features you now see in professional papers like “related stories”, “module quotes”, pool of “comments” from articles in a section, enticing navigation multimedia in the main page to transport you elsewhere. How about those CNN to let you get more interested with the happenings in our crazy world. Or to be more up to date with the latest between Clinton and Obama, or McCain and Romney? How about the National Geographic multimedia that will transport you to other worlds you might never have seen or conceived before?

Things like that. At least, those are just a few of some features, I have in mind.

As far as I am concerned, the layout is not just for the page to look beautiful. It is not about “skins” that people change like the way they change cloths.

The template must serve to enhance the content — their ease of use, and their capabiltiy to entice people to read them. If it fails that, the template you chose, no matter how good it looks would just like be a diamond necklace adorning an empty head.

Cornelio

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#237883

OK. I bought a simple JATC Standard Membership, to evaluate JA templates. It’s for sure not a huge investment.
The following is a comparison table.

JATC Standard Membership – 1 year 3+3 additional domains upon 1 year renew (actually 2 templates/month): $70.00 (30% discount to renew)
JATC Developer Membership – 1 year unlimited domains (actually 2 templates/month): $499.00 (30% discount to renew)

RT 1 Year Membership – 3 Concurrent Template Uses (1 template/month): $75
RT 1 Year Renewal Membership – 2 Additional Concurrent Template Uses (1 template/month) : $60
RT 1 Year Pro Membership – Unlimited Concurrent Template Uses (1 template/month) : $250 (1 year renewal $200)

If JA switches to 1 template/month, which would be then the reason why a customer should buy for example a 1 year JATC Developer Membership instead of a 1 Year RT Pro Membership?

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#237885

<em>@MediaWorks 38854 wrote:</em><blockquote>You miss the point.
Not sure that you have understood what you were reading, but nobody spoke about legal actions against JA, it would be ridicule. Anyway, your post took for sure more energy and waste of time than mines.</blockquote>

On the contrary. First of all, I was not referring to your post particularly. I browsed through all these talk about lawyers, and laws. And commitment.

So, let me ask you personally, a very hypothetical question: Let us say, you were talking to this guy and he promised to treat you to a burger shop. Then you got to know each other. He liked you as a friend. He decided to treat you to a four star restaurant, instead. Would you cry foul and tell him, but you promised to treat me to a hamburger?

It is not the best analogy but I hope you got the picture.

So here is the reality. How many months or years of membership did you pay for? Three months, six months, one year? two years?

Here is what I will do, if I were Joomlart to honor my promise to you guys, assuming of course, I (Joomlart) have already made up my mind to go to one template. I will:

1. Release an announcement immediately that Joomlart will go to single template per month effective (date here).

The date shall coincide with the last registered member who prefers two templates per month.

2. Provide the option to reimburse any who would want to get out immediately. Even provide incentives, if you will.

Would you consider that under these terms, Joomlart would have already honored their commitment to you?

After that, you no longer can hold Joomlart hostage to that promise of two templates per month. Or, does your lawyer beg to differ on this?

<em>@MediaWorks 38854 wrote:</em><blockquote>
There are other great template companies which offer even more than JA for less and do respect their commercial agreements. That’s all. And many customers, like me, were choosing JA mainly for the 2 templates/month option. Just to have a wider starting choice for their potential customers.</blockquote>

Do you see the flaw in your reasoning here? Why settle for 2 that Joomlart offers, if as you say: “There are other great template companies which offer even more than JA for less and do respect their commercial agreements. That’s all.”

Moreover, to belabor the point further —if these good companies, and offer more than Joomlart, and respect their commercial agreements. “That’s all” Why in the world are you settling for a two-timing Joomlart, who you implying are not willing to honor their commercial agreement?

Maybe I really am missing your point. I stand guilty in your court.

Just very tickle pink curious, can you please name a few of this other great template companies which offer even more than JA. Provide working links please.

You betrayed your true motives here:

“And many customers, like me, were choosing JA mainly for the 2 templates/month option. Just to have a wider starting choice for their potential customers.“

That was one of my arguments from the beginning — that “the more the better” benefits those who use templates for their customers.

<em>@MediaWorks 38854 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Anyway, your post took for sure more energy and waste of time than mines.</blockquote>

You may be wasting your time, but when I post, I do not consider it a waste of time. Here I am posting because I consider a few Joomlart templates to be good, I couldn’t care less about the majority for them.

If I succeed in driving the point that your position is not in the best interest of most customers, or those who threaten will not hold in court, then I would have succeeded in my goal. If as a result, some of you will leave, and Joomlart staff will have more time to prepare fewer but better templates, then I would have succeeded and not wasted my time.

I cannot do what Joomlart staff are doing.

Cornelio

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#237887

cgc0202;38864So, let me ask you personally, a very hypothetical question: Let us say, you were talking to this guy and he promised to treat you to a burger shop. Then you got to know each other. He liked you as a friend. He decided to treat you to a four star restaurant, instead. Would you cry foul and tell him, but you promised to treat me to a hamburger?

Let us invert the situation. You were talking to this guy and he promised to treat you to a four star restaurant. Then you got to know each other. He liked you as a friend. So he decided to treat you to a burger shop. Wow.

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#237888

<em>@MediaWorks 38861 wrote:</em><blockquote>OK. I bought a simple JATC Standard Membership, to evaluate JA templates. It’s for sure not a huge investment.
The following is a comparison table.

JATC Standard Membership – 1 year 3+3 additional domains upon 1 year renew (actually 2 templates/month): $70.00 (30% discount to renew)
JATC Developer Membership – 1 year unlimited domains (actually 2 templates/month): $499.00 (30% discount to renew)

RT 1 Year Membership – 3 Concurrent Template Uses (1 template/month): $75
RT 1 Year Renewal Membership – 2 Additional Concurrent Template Uses (1 template/month) : $60
RT 1 Year Pro Membership – Unlimited Concurrent Template Uses (1 template/month) : $250 (1 year renewal $200)

If JA switches to 1 template/month, which would be then the reason why a customer should buy for example a 1 year JATC Developer Membership instead of a 1 Year RT Pro Membership?</blockquote>

The answer is that it depends on the customer. Don’t talk about other customers, why not talk about your choices.

I saw both RocketTheme and Joomlart. I like some templates of RocketTheme, but I chose Joomlart, solely for one template — JA Teline. If they charged $150 or $200, I would still have bought it. I did not join Joomlart because I could get 48 templates. I would stick with Joomlart if they can create more innovative templates or extensions. In fact, I plan to renew my membership near the expiration because a group that I am helping liked the webpage that uses the JA Teline.

By the way, the staff of RocketTheme, if I understood the forum announcement correctly by one of the “founders”, have decided to divide into two separate groups.

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Which would you choose: Three delicious big hotdogs? Or, a good size succulent juicy steak?

More than likely, a child would pick the three hotdogs because that is what he really likes. And, someone would prefer the steak. Nothing wrong with that.
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The point now is that there are two sides in this issue:

1. Those who want to have just one template a month
2. Those who want to stick with the status quo — two templates per month

In this case, Joomlart at some point has to make a choice. As someone pointed out, while Joomlart might be denying it, but Joomlart a reason for posing the question — to the membership.

This is not about who is right or wrong. Or, who will win in court. No one is right or wrong here. It is about preferences.

The reality is that only one of the choices can be honored by Joomlart. So far, the first choice seem to be in the majority. The side who will not win therefore must have to make a choice — whether they will be able to abide by the outcome of the poll and what Joomlart decides to do.

The majority may not even be right. This is best expounded in Henrik Ibsen’s “An Enemy of the People”. To paraphrase him:

What is popular may not be true. And what is true may not be popular.

So, while I know I came up strong in my succession of posts here. I understand the reasons of the other side. I just do not subscribe to it.

So peace to all those who might have been my adversaries in this discussion.

In reality, I am not even a proponent of 1 template a month. I am more in the camp of creating better templates.

Cornelio

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#237889

<em>@MediaWorks 38866 wrote:</em><blockquote>Let us invert the situation. You were talking to this guy and he promised to treat you to a four star restaurant. Then you got to know each other. He liked you as a friend. So he decided to treat you to a burger shop. Wow.</blockquote>

I did not anticipate this as I have not read it yet, but look at my post about the Boy who would prefer hotdogs over a steak.:)

As I try not to forget. It is all about perception. In your eyes, you feel that Joomlart has failed you. But, to many (based from the Polls), they feel that it is for the better.

So, whether you feel blessed with the 4-star restaurant or the burger shop, depends on your level. I bet you many children would be more at home in McDonald than in a French Restaurant for example.

I visited Louisiana for a few weeks last November- December, and we went to this all you can eat restaurant. Not so bad actually, but nothing like Antoine in New Orleans. Anyway, there are so many choices, but this young girl who was with us, was so used to this breadded food in Southern USA, that was what she was used to at home, that was what she picked.

Going back to the lively debate here, more than likely, what you have done is to succeed in making Joomlart be more cautious in the transition to a one-template per month, but eventually, I think that is their direction. And, so far, those who voted are with that direction of Joomlart.

What you have to do now is to examine your own priorities. If you cannot live with that direction of Joomlart, it is just like swimming against the water current. Is that what you want to do? Waste your time that you may not be able to change?

You stated that there are better companies than Joomlart. I really would like to know, if there are. I am not married to Joomlart.

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#237905

<blockquote>Won’t it be nice if Teline II could do that? Actually, that might be Teline III or Teline IV? because the scripting needed to achieve what the NYT software could do that is quite challenging. They alloted big budgets to do that (not $70 or development member cost budget).

So, perhaps Teline II shall be more modest in its evolution, a process that will keep on going. </blockquote>

@ cgc0202

I didn’t, as well as many others I’m sure, join JA to watch a template evolve into your vision of the perfect news template during the course of my membership. I joined because I was told for $70 I had access to TWO templates every month. The answer to your confusion lies within your own quote above…”They alloted big budgets to do that…”. If you want to see your baby evolve, pay someone who is capable of making the changes you require. There’s plenty of customization services out there, but don’t waste 14,000 + other member’s time. As a matter of fact, I think JA will do that for you too, for a fair price of course.

The fact still remains – A lot of people signed up for a service that is pending CHANGE. I didn’t download all of the templates and then request a refund. Likewise, JA shouldn’t take my money and then take away the product.

When I go to McDonald’s and order a Double Cheeseburger, I expect to get TWO patties, not ONE that tastes a little better….and why is that…because I paid for what was advertised.

If JA wants to take this route, MORALLY they should make it right with the members who have already paid, and LEGALLY, MediaWorks’ attorney is spot on; it’s a violation of the agreement between JA and the consumer making the original agreement null and void, allowing us to use the templates as we wish ( I have counsel also 😉 ). What would extinguish this little fire is JA’s attempt at creating an amendment to the original agreement and have each and every member either accept the new terms, or be compensated for the remaining service term (membership cost divided by 12 months x remaining months of subscription)

Sorry, that’s just the way it is….and I’m sorry if your pride is bruised, but you’re wrong. This is black and white, fact vs. fiction. It’s not what each of us as individuals think will make us feel warm and fuzzy inside.

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#237913

You guys really should give up on this conversation. There has been no decision to change anything here at JA regarding the release of less than two templates a month that I’m aware of.

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#237914

<em>@MiCCAS 35957 wrote:</em><blockquote>Maybe we can trial this for 2 months, and see how you guys like it?</blockquote>

I also read another about a 6 month trial. Couple that with the very first post and all of the reasons to switch…sounds like a little more than no decision being made.

The fact that you think we should just drop it tells me that you want the change with no questions asked. After all, isn’t this one of the purposes of the forum. Otherwise, I would expect to see forum categories about the templates only……

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#237915

Okay then. Have fun with you imagination. 🙂

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#237922

<em>@one7media 38885 wrote:</em><blockquote>
When I go to McDonald’s and order a Double Cheeseburger, I expect to get TWO patties, not ONE that tastes a little better….and why is that…because I paid for what was advertised.
</blockquote>

Oh, it is good that you used McDonald. They do advertise stuff, but even MCDonald, or any food company for that matter, changes their menu. I have not eaten in a McDonald for years now, but I heard they had been experimenting with new stuff when their sales was flat a few years back.

Did McDonald ask their clients to approve the change? Nope. They just did it — whatever they thought works for their bottom line. They do not ask you nor me. They did a sampling study of their potential clients and made their own decision from the result. You or I do not matter, if we do not happen to be part of the majority of their target customers.

It is the “majority” of their potential clients that they cater to. “That’s just the way it is.” — to borrow your own words.

And, if you look at the reality of the Polls — to bring it back to Joomlart, it does not look that you nor MediaWorks belong to the majority of Joomlart’s customer base that has a different preference.

Question: Guess what Joomlart is likely going to do, in the future?

<em>@one7media 38885 wrote:</em><blockquote>
The fact still remains – A lot of people signed up for a service that is pending CHANGE. I didn’t download all of the templates and then request a refund. Likewise, JA shouldn’t take my money and then take away the product.
</blockquote>

Is McDonald — to quote your terms and emphasis MORALLY and LEGALLY — obligated to offer you a Double Cheeseburger for the duration of the company’s existence, because you and others happen to like it? If they make money they will. And, if they can provide a better alternative to a Double Cheeseburger, they will.

No court in the US or wherever you guys live would hold McDonald — to quote your terms and emphasis — MORALLY and LEGALLY — responsible for life to live up to prior advertisements. When they cease advertising, they will no longer be held accountable for as long as they live up to the terms of their advertisement (i.e., duration of the offer). The same is true with any other company, including Joomlart

So, to use your McDonald analogy for Joomlart. They advertised. Now they are seeking the opinion of their customer based.

Have they — to quote your terms and emphasis — MORALLY and LEGALLY — broken any of terms of their advertisement, so far?

<em>@one7media 38885 wrote:</em><blockquote>
If JA wants to take this route, MORALLY they should make it right with the members who have already paid, and LEGALLY, MediaWorks’ attorney is spot on; it’s a violation of the agreement between JA and the consumer making the original agreement null and void, allowing us to use the templates as we wish ( I have counsel also 😉 ). What would extinguish this little fire is JA’s attempt at creating an amendment to the original agreement and have each and every member either accept the new terms, or be compensated for the remaining service term (membership cost divided by 12 months x remaining months of subscription)</blockquote>

Question 1: As of this writing has Joomlart — to quote your terms and emphasis — MORALLY and LEGALLY — broken a promise to you and others, so far, in regard providing two templates, per month?

I honestly do not know the answer to that because I do not moniotr how many templates they have created since I joined.

Question 2: Has Joomlart not changed anything yet?

If No: Where is — to rephrase your terms and emphasis — the MORAL and LEGAL foundation of your claim and argument:

<em>@one7media 38885 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Likewise, JA shouldn’t take my money and then take away the product.
</blockquote>

For as long as during the duration of your membership, they provide you with two (2) templates per month, they have not — to quote your terms and emphasis — MORALLY nor LEGALLY broken anything. Ask MediaWork’s attorney. Or, any other attorney, for that matter.

Thus, to summarize, can we all agree, that as of this writing, Joomlart has not — to quote your terms and emphasis — MORALLY nor LEGALLY broken any of whatever was advertised so far?

So, let me go back to your statement:

<em>@one7media 38885 wrote:</em><blockquote>
If JA wants to take this route, MORALLY they should make it right with the members who have already paid,</blockquote>

OK, I am not whatsoever part of Joomlart staff, nor am I trying to look for their interest. But, let us for the moment, assume I am. Can you please tell me, exactly how Joomlart should make things so that they would — to quote your terms and emphasis — MORALLY or LEGALLY make it right with the members who have already paid?

Let me provide the choices, so there would be no misunderstandings. You or others who felt — to rephrase your terms and emphasis — MORALLY wronged or LEGALLY duped, may add more, If I did not cover all the possible choices below:

1. Joomlart should stop advertising the two (2) templates per month before the company take the alternative route, i.e., one (1) template per month
2. Joomlart should stop advertising the two (2) templates per month but continue to provide this service to their clients until the expiration of the membership of those who prefer two (2) templates per month.
3. For those who opted for long term membership: Joomlart should stop advertising the two (2) templates per month and refund the remainder of the money of those who have long term membership who wanted to opt out.
4. Joomlart is MORALLY and LEGALLY obligated to offer two (2) templates per month for the duration of the existence of the company, because they have advertised previously to provide such service.

Did I miss any other reasonable choice to make it “…MORALLY …right with the members who have already paid,…”?

Can someone make the above into a Poll please? Such a poll would help address the wishes of those who felt they have been morally or legally taken to the cleaners.

You talk about Moral and Legal obligations of Joomlart to you and others who have the same perspective as you. So, let me ask this question:

Does Joomlart have any Moral obligation to listen and attempt to provide the service that is desired by the majority of its customer base? And, since you are so keen on Moral: Do you have any MORAL obligation to allow Joomlart to do so?

Or, do you take the LEGAL argument: Joomlart promised me something, and they must provide it — to hell with everyone else?

Note that in asking the above, I have not conceded that Joomlart has so far did renege on their MORAL or LEGAL obligation to your “side of the aisle”.

As of this writing, so far as I know, Joomlart has not MORALLY nor LEGALLY broken what they advertised. They are thinking allowed of their business plan to change their strategy, and consulted their customer base before making any changes.

The strategy to consult their customer base should be commended — not villified.

In stating all the above, and any of my previous postings, let me make it clear that I am not at all suggesting that my views are right, so that you must be wrong. Far from it. There is no right and wrong here. Just different people having different perspectives on the same matter.

Joomlart’s existence as a company depends on its ability to satisfy the wishes majority of its customer base — right or wrong, that willl decide their ability to compete in the market. Whatever they choose to do will decide whether they wil prosper as a company, or perish, like many did, if they made bad decisions.

Cornelio

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#237923

I think we can stop this discussion here.
Read the first post and see if that helps out before we continue.

Dear valued members,
Happy new year and hope you all have best luck and happiness in the year 2008.

As suggested by some members during the past time as well as it has come to a time when we need more time on support because of different versions of Joomla (1.1.x and 1.5.x) , I would like to create a poll and get your feedback so that JA can make the right decision to offer the best services and products to our club members.

A. Reason for the change to 1 template per month

1. Joomla! now has more versions and more third party components, which means that more works and testing must be carried out to release a bug free template.
2. In 2 year time (or at lease this year until J!1.5 stable is released), we need to release 2 download packages and 2 quickstart installations for Joomla 1.1 and 1.5
3. The J! 1.5 has more parameters and more built-in features (mootools, templates parameters...) which means that we can provide more variations for a template
4. There are more and more template providers and again only quality templates survive. And when there are many options, you will think about "who has the best" rather than "who has the most"
5. If we change to 1 template, it does not mean that JA works less and you have less, look at the section B.

B. What you can expect to receive

1. Certainly better quality templates, more configurations and template variations. The design team has more time for creation of an outstanding design concept rather than just hurry to release a "good-looking" one.
2. More built-in or optional features delivered along with the template. If you have seen the integration of JA News, JA Slideshow, JA moomenu, JA Virtuemart... in the year 2007, you will see more similar addons. With certain outstanding templates, we can provide solutions so that you can use it either as a shopping cart or a music portal etc.
3. The templates will be delivered on time with available download packages. Currently, the 1.5 version normally sees the release in 1 or 2 days late.
4. Detailed visual userguides aided by commented pictures or video from A to Z. You will easily handle JA templates even if today is the first day you know about Joomla.
5. More time and efforts will be spent on support in forum and via our ticket system. Joomla 1.5 is more a framework than a standard CMS system, which means that you are going to install more extensions (out of 2598 available)

C. Is there anything else do I have along with this change?.
In the year 2008, JA will bring to you a new service called JA EXCHANGE for club members, this will be a place where club members can share modifications, variations, customization of JA templates. All members will have a chance to redesign JA templates and I believe among our 14034 members, there are always talented web developers

D. When the change will be applied.
If we receive positive feedbacks and preferred votings for about 2 weeks, the change will be applied within this January.

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#237927

Hi Menalto,

This will be a short one. 🙂

As much as I disagree with the arguments posted by the other side, I think there should be a way to come to a decent compromise. After all, Joomlart should have considered the ramifications of its ad. In fact, if indeed Joomlart, takes unilateral action — without attempting to find a compromise with the disgruntled members — any disgruntled customer will have legal foundation to sue. That possibility will be very costly to Joomlart. As equally damaging, the name of Joomlart may be irreparably damaged, if it becomes associated with the reputation that Joomlart does not honor its words.

I propose the aggrieved members be polled on what they think will be a suitable compromise for both Joomlart and these disgruntled members.

Cornelio

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#237929

They have asked for the users suggestions.
When will it happen?

D. When the change will be applied.
If we receive positive feedbacks and preferred votings for about 2 weeks, the change will be applied within this January.
I dont think it will happen if you ask me

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