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#143775

Hello,

This is anticipating a not too distant future need. I hope this will be addressed in the Manual or Tutorial provided by Joomlart, or others who are familiar with the process.

It is likely that the database configuration of JA Teline II and Teline III may not be identical. Thus, one tutorial that many users (like myself) would need desperately would be:

How to migrate contents from an existing JA Teline II to JA Teline III within the same domain or from one domain to a different domain.

Possibly even the migration of the names of sections and categories, and their defined ID, orders in the magazine menu and properties and configurations. (Or is there a way to batch add them?) if there are only a few, it is much less hassle for me to just start over. However, I have sites, like a history site where I have extensive sections and categories.

Related Issues: I do hyperlinking of other articles, images, sections and categories, etc. within each article. If I simply copy and paste from one site to another, more than likely the hyperlinks would be incorrect.

Is there way for systenatic mass migration of contents without breaking the hyperlinks?

I have quite a number of sites of varying degrees of completion or contents. It will set me back quite many months, if not years, if I start the migration manually, via copy and paste.

Any leads, ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Cornelio

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#317572

Any word on this? I just finished a Teline II site and LOVE Teline III, but maybe not enough to start over from scratch. Any way to transfer from Teline II to Teline III?

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#317579

<em>@deblock 144925 wrote:</em><blockquote>Any word on this? I just finished a Teline II site and LOVE Teline III, but maybe not enough to start over from scratch. Any way to transfer from Teline II to Teline III?</blockquote>

deblock,

Theoretically, if everything are almost “the same”, it is possible to have multiple templates in a single installation. For example, in the QuickStart kit, there are other templates there, like “Beez” and two other templates used as Joomla templates, aside from Teline III. If you use the Teline IIII QuickStart kit, the default template would be Teline III.

You may if you want change the default template, selecting one of the other three templates included. There would be a number of adjustments though to go from one template to another.

I have not done it yet, but using the above analogy, so that you may then be able to install a “template”, in this case Teline III to an existing Teline II website. Then make the Teline III the new default template.

Assuming there are no “problems” arising, the articles, sections, categories, etc. should remain intact. Of course, problems may arise, so it is good to save your database, and configuration.php, and all files and directories that you have configured.

The artticle files however were optimized for the prior Teline II template. Thus, there might be a need to customize/optimize them to suite the Teline III template.

It may be easier said than done though. I would be interested to know if someone has tried it already.

Cornelio

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#317648

Dear Cornelio,

Teline III does belong to Teline series of template. But even you know its a different framework, different module positioning, different layout, new functionalities. From where the question of migration arises?

It would be very silly of me to remind you that template only gives layout options for your content. Each template is different, layout depends on the capabilities, features and module positioning in the template.

When both the templates are different, how do you expect a migration guide?

Its simple, If one changes templates, one got to redo the module positioning or layout to suit his taste and trust me its gonna be restricted by the options offered by each and every individual template and Teline iii is no exception coz Teline III is a different template. Making teline iii to give features of teline ii and vice versa is asking for custom development.

Arvind

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#317665

cgc0202;142368
Is there way for systenatic mass migration of contents without breaking the hyperlinks?

Use relative links and not absolute links. In Joomla use the dynamic url rather than the sef url.

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#317670

Arvind, Scotty,

I tried last night with a very old (pre-Joomla v1.5.8) that was systematically upgraded to Joomla 1.5.11, then to Joomla 1.5.14. This works well with Teline II, even if the Hot Topic for sites that were created before October 2008, was quite different from Teline II upgrade done earlier this year. These 2009 changes in the Teline II template were not included in the changelog, so I have no idea what files were replaced.

Anyway, I then installed the Teline III template as well as the extensions in the Teline III kit. Several Teline III extensions cannot be installed because they have the same name as those used in Teline II.

I then made the Teline III the default template. Most of my Teline II sites were extensively modified, not only the features, but the CSS and the layout. Including very specific changes in each of the Magazine menu features. This took more than a year to achieve, with enormous help from members, moderators and staff.

Thus, not surprisingly, whilte the articles, sections, categories, etc. are there, there may be too much difference in the scripting and the customization done with the Teline II site, so that the site was a mess as far as layout is concerned.

It may require more integration of the CSS and other scripts between Teline II and Teline III to make the old sites look good. That will take too long.

As it is, it may be easier for me to use some of the interesting extensions in Teline III to improve my existing Teline II than the other way around. Also, I have extensively hacked some scripts to achieve a more optimized Teline II site. In contrast, my current Teline III, and still a Sandbox, not actual content, is rather very slow. I am revising the way I present the JA News, and the JA News frontpage, to make it faster.

Arvind, since you know more about Optimization, maybe we can collaborate again on doing the same with Teline III. I would hope others would help too.

So, for now, it may be easier for me to extract the contents, and place them in new Teline III sites. I have to wait until the kinks are resolved to do this. And, I have to get acquainted with the general idea of the interrelationships of files and directories of Teline III.

Cornelio

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#323442

Hello Cornelio and others,

Yes, I am still alive! And still using Teline II. Well as well as you Cornelio pretty heavy modified. And dident you have the same problem moving from T I to T II? This might be the same on steroids.

As I said before Teline is NOT a template it is an application as a template should be stateless and NOT include any Components, Modules or Plug- ins and it should not modify the original Joomla database. This should however take away most appeal from the Joomlart’s products.

I do think that most people would agree with me if I say that we expect a new application like T III should function with the old database and if modifications are done we should be provided with a script to do the modifications or/and migration of data. It must be in Joomlart’s interest that an old functional site using Teline II should be updated to the newest product. Coming from normal development environment it is considered good practice to provide an upgrade path. Shouldn’t we all be pretty p-off if we had to do Copy and paste all our documents every time Microsoft came with a new version of Word? I don’t mind reinstalling other third party components etc. configure Joomlart components, etc. but to mess with my content, no way!

I must admit that I have not even downloaded the new Teline as I am, vise from previous experience are waiting for a reasonable stable version that could be implemented on a production site.

Just my 2 cents

Bosse

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#328599

<em>@drarvindc 145032 wrote:</em><blockquote>Dear Cornelio,

Teline III does belong to Teline series of template. But even you know its a different framework, different module positioning, different layout, new functionalities. From where the question of migration arises?

It would be very silly of me to remind you that template only gives layout options for your content. Each template is different, layout depends on the capabilities, features and module positioning in the template.

When both the templates are different, how do you expect a migration guide?

Its simple, If one changes templates, one got to redo the module positioning or layout to suit his taste and trust me its gonna be restricted by the options offered by each and every individual template and Teline iii is no exception coz Teline III is a different template. Making teline iii to give features of teline ii and vice versa is asking for custom development.

Arvind</blockquote>
I respectfully disagree that JoomlArt customers are disingineous by expecting an upgrade path from Teline II to III.

I know we would all appreciate having JoomlArt weigh in on this subject. I am not against testing such a converson with an 10,000 aritcle new site but I would like more input from JoomlArt.

For now I won’t say anything to our customer…. They love it and of course want it installed yesterday..

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