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[Hung Dinh Friend Hung DinhJoin date: September 2014Posts: 4408Downloads:11Uploads:189 Thanks: 309 Thanked: 3310 times in 3 posts]

#215434

<em>@ShannonN 9377 wrote:</em><blockquote>Photoshop DOES save AS to.png :)</blockquote>
Yes, PS can save as .png but the image is not layered and not editable. Therefore I decide not to include the PNG into the download package.

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#215445

Hung Dinh;9389Yes, PS can save as .png but the image is not layered and not editable. Therefore I decide not to include the PNG into the download package.

Hung I understand this but anything must be better than having to use photoshop?

From a marketing point of view you are missing a big market, not everyone can afford to use PS let alone have the complete knowledge and skills to use it ( I fit in the 2nd category – some minor skills) 🙂

I can only ask that you reconsider and supply all graphics in both forms psd and png, look the amount of money Joomlart is making each year from memberships alone,

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#215454

ShannonN;9403From a marketing point of view you are missing a big market, not everyone can afford to use PS let alone have the complete knowledge and skills to use it ( I fit in the 2nd category – some minor skills) 🙂

ShannonN, this is the exact reason why we have brought in this new feature. You may now request an image to be customised with your own name and slogan free of charge no strings attached. Within a day you’ll have your new image given to you and there’ll be no need for photoshop.

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#215480

MiCCAS;9412ShannonN, this is the exact reason why we have brought in this new feature. You may now request an image to be customised with your own name and slogan free of charge no strings attached. Within a day you’ll have your new image given to you and there’ll be no need for photoshop.

A layered fireworks png file is substantially smaller than the corresponding layered PSD, not to mention by the time PS has loaded and added all its bloat I can have FW9 open and completed most of what i need to do. 🙂

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#215497

<em>@ShannonN 9443 wrote:</em><blockquote>You bring in a service to add text to an image, but refuse to supply industry standard formats?

I am able to edit text in PS myself so it’s not a big deal, or import into FW and do it my point is I am far more conversant with Fireworks and every other template designer supplies .png images.

Joomlart refuses point blank to supply images as .png, my main beef is apart from the fact I detest PS with a passion usually reserved for Ford Cars 🙂

A layered fireworks png file is substantially smaller than the corresponding layered PSD, not to mention by the time PS has loaded and added all its bloat I can have FW9 open and completed most of what i need to do. :)</blockquote>
ShannonN, whilst you may protest that PNGs are the industry standard you need to understand that all these things are taken into consideration from the developers however we feel that PSDs are the best to include for many reasons and PNGs are currently included, however they cannot be edited hence the reason that the PSDs are included.

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#215770

I’m with Shannonn, I too use fireworks. It’s much better suited for web graphics as far as I’m concerned.
MiCCas, I’m having a difficult time understanding your last run on sentance. Are you saying that PNG’s can not be editted? That is so far from the truth that I think I’m reading it wrong. Png’s are just as editable as psd’s (if not more so).

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#215773

Maybe we outta run a poll on this?

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#215779

gregory3, I think he is talking about the PNG’s that are added with the download packages. Those are not editable and hence his conclusion that these are not editable. I am confident that he also knows that PNG’s are editble. 🙂

[chaosknign Friend chaosknignJoin date: October 2006Posts: 9Downloads:0Uploads:0]

#215781

I’ll put my 2 cents in here.

Why don’t you just include the .png’s whether they are editable or not? You guys develop with PS (fanboy statements aside) that’s what you guys use and that’s it, I don’t think it comes down to better or industry standard or whatever. If I want to code in VI, then by GOD I WILL code in VI.

Just state that you include .png’s. You will not layer, or slice, or whatever because you don’t use FW. End of discussion in my point of view really. Every other statement made in favor or opposed is really just matter of personal taste on tools.

What? You’re going to try to convince the designers to switch to your favorite tool because you’re a fanboy? Let him develop in whatever the heck he wants to, if it’s MS Paint, then so be it.

They’ve responded to demand, I think the inclusion of exported .png files would be the last step and I back you guys on that… but no further. No slicing or dicing or hiring or anything.

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#215785

chaosknign;9834I’ll put my 2 cents in here.

Why don’t you just include the .png’s whether they are editable or not? You guys develop with PS (fanboy statements aside) that’s what you guys use and that’s it, I don’t think it comes down to better or industry standard or whatever. If I want to code in VI, then by GOD I WILL code in VI.

Just state that you include .png’s. You will not layer, or slice, or whatever because you don’t use FW. End of discussion in my point of view really. Every other statement made in favor or opposed is really just matter of personal taste on tools.

What? You’re going to try to convince the designers to switch to your favorite tool because you’re a fanboy? Let him develop in whatever the heck he wants to, if it’s MS Paint, then so be it.

They’ve responded to demand, I think the inclusion of exported .png files would be the last step and I back you guys on that… but no further. No slicing or dicing or hiring or anything.

well spoken by a ps fanboy hey

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#215791

I code in notepad and do pictures in MS Paint. :p Sometimes when I get an itch, I’ll drop to Fortran (75) to code windows apps. I think Apple should have gone with AMD because I’m that much of a fanboy!

Seriously though, I use FW, but that doesn’t mean I want to homogeonize (M$ fanboy are you?)

I have to send the files to a buddy who uses a Mac then I do my best in FW after he sends them back.

That still doesn’t compel me to come on these boards and gripe at the JA artists to do it my way, if not I will kick, scream, and whine. I’m not saying don’t make a suggestion, I’m just saying as an adult(?) and a mod(??) you should understand both sides.

😀

K-9

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#215794

Okay, it seems to me that we are having some confusions.

I am aware that PNGs are editable – If they are designed from FW
However, our design team have PS as their favorite graphic editor and the PNGs exported by PS are NOT editable.

If JA wants to provide the editable PNGs then the design team will have to have time to master FW and clone all the graphics from scratch with FW. This is really a hard work for us and I can bet that the quality and the design will not be as good as the design made by PS.

And when providing editable PNGs is almost impossible at this time, I do not see any point in providing unsliced PNGs?

Am I missing something here?

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#215804

Yeah, as Hung has suggested it would take a lot of work and this is just not feasible to do this at the moment. However, for those who cannot edit the images for whatever reason we now have a service to get these images customised free of charge.

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#215840

Hung I offered to import existing (essential PSDs) into my copy of FW and save the resultant as PNG to cater for the FW community but the offer was never taken up or commented on, as for being an adult and a mod I wont go there 🙂 drag me down classify and stereotype me all ya want 🙂

I am confident with FW as my choice of editor

I don’t doubt PS is great, fantastic, everyone should have at least one copy on every machine available! type product, I have it, licensed not pirated and use it when I need to, but to me it is a complex full featured program with too many bells whistles for the limited applications and narrow market I work within.

I can bet that the quality and the design will not be as good as the design made by PS

I see no difference after importing a layered psd into FW and saving as PNG in terms of visual qualty? a png is a smaller file size generally, maybe my eyesight is as bad as my optometrist thinks or I just don’t need to look at an image at 4000 X 4000 at the highest rez any monitor can produce

After all its web graphics here and web graphics generally at 72 / 96 not huge print media resolutions?

Seems I may be missing something here, hang on I’ll just push my rock outta the way 🙂

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#215850

ShannonN, I think you’re welcome to do that and send me some links. I’ll verify then we can work on getting them up on the website with your permission.

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