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[mj1256 Friend mj1256Join date: June 2007Posts: 1473Downloads:10Uploads:35 Thanks: 84 Thanked: 225 times in 118 posts]

#267471

<blockquote>If people behave by the rules, your license limit is still three (3) commerical) domains and unlimited “nonprofit” domains for a one year membership</blockquote>

nothing has changed though, no new rules are in effect. and yes, all the issues that you constantly bring up still exist. my point was that nothing has changed and they are not implementing the call home function. I also do not blame them for trying to find a way to license the templates. Lets help them by making good, constructive suggestions. If you go back through the thread you will see a list of alternatives was started, by me!

and no…that is not an actual picture of me, but this thread is starting to make me feel like that. LOL Man this is getting stressful.

I also use subdomains to test templates and build sites in. Because the changes to the system is not going to happen, we can still work this way.
I also started a thread to offer alternatives for JA as I do understand the theft of services and misuse of the current domain licensing system issues.

[sparkymarky Friend sparkymarkyJoin date: November 2006Posts: 8Downloads:0Uploads:0 Thanks: 2]

#267686

I cannot download the extensions. Ja FlowList, JA Tabs etc

On the pages for these extensions it states that:
“However, during the beta release, you can download and use it free of charge at your own risk.”

However the links prevent any normal member from downloading them.

This contradicts an email I got from support two weeks ago when I was told that I would be able to download them.

I’ve installed one already, and now I cannot access the files again to get the documentation downloads etc.

This needs to be sorted so that members can access the extensions.

[Ågebror Friend ÅgebrorJoin date: July 2006Posts: 28Downloads:0Uploads:1 Thanks: 3]

#268176

<em>@perdu 72781 wrote:</em><blockquote>I echo the sentiments above and would probably not renew my membership.</blockquote>
That goes for me too. If trhis idea is implemented i will not renew

[zandercent Friend zandercentJoin date: November 2006Posts: 75Downloads:0Uploads:0 Thanks: 4 Thanked: 1 times in 1 posts]

#268466

I would also not be renewing my subscription in the case of automatic licensing taking place.

My emphasis when using templates is on how easy they are to customise – generally I try to make them as unrecognisable as possible (see if you can guess what template http://cultivateideas.org is!).

The reason I choose Joomlart over other template providers (especially Yootheme) is the clean, understandable way the back end code is written. In this respect one theme a month is a disadvantage for me as the more basic frameworks available the better.

However I’m not that bothered about this as there are a lot of layouts already to play with, and if it means you can start producing more innovative templates than recent efforts (Olivine revisited????) I think it would be great. Perhaps you can compensate existing users by allowing them to download extensions – something that when I signed up appeared to be included in the package but is – outrageously -not.

However the only way to really find out if a template is for you is to install it and have a look around – If doing this eats up my ‘registered domain spaces’ it would just not be viable for me and I wont be renewing – which would be a real shame as tehre is a great community and I have always had a good response from the support.

[mediawiz Friend mediawizJoin date: March 2006Posts: 1Downloads:0Uploads:0]

#270348

I’ve been a member of joomlart since march 2006, my current member expires mar 2009, I for one will not support any application / theme / etc that calls home under any circumstances.

If this is mandatory and has already been implemented… its not very nice, specially w/o intimation. Not that i even use all 9 of my available licenses, just two in fact.

With 23655 Club Members – thats over a million dollars in annual revenue, the least you can do is stick to your initial terms and not change them w/o notice…

I couldn’t care less about 1 template or two per month, but the call home thing is a disaster and if I that is implemented, I don’t see myself renewing my membership.

I have one other grouse with JA – the $100 min. payout for affiliates, i have $77 sitting in my affiliate account which will never be paid out if i don’t reach $100? i wonder how many affiliates there are in the same boat? You’d think a company earning in excess of a million dollars a year could afford to pay its affiliates… and i don’t even think we’re paid for renewals, unlike other Joomla companies.

Why not reduce this or payout to people who have earned something in a fixed period of time, unless of course the idea is to not payout at all.

[mj1256 Friend mj1256Join date: June 2007Posts: 1473Downloads:10Uploads:35 Thanks: 84 Thanked: 225 times in 118 posts]

#270362

why is this still an issue, hung backed down after listing to everyones arguments and cancelled that plan.

WOW—the voice of the people was heard and the management responded appropriately.

but, JA does still have an issue that needs a solution, does any one have an idea that could replace the phone home concept that would protect their templates from theft??

I know that some think that becuase JA changed its mind that its done with, not true, they still need a solution and because they backed down and listened to the voice of the community, we can at least help with some ideas that would work for both JA and the community.

anyone?

[mj1256 Friend mj1256Join date: June 2007Posts: 1473Downloads:10Uploads:35 Thanks: 84 Thanked: 225 times in 118 posts]

#270363

also, my opinion….
good for JA making money, isn’t that why people go into business, and i don’t see any indication that we are being fleeced.

as for the affiliate payout, 100.00 is the industry average for payout. they are not doing anything unusual here. check out commission junction and linkshare as well as others and you will see that 100.00 is normal. even my credit card process waits until i accrue 100.00 before i get any money. if it was out of line, i would be the first one to complain LOUDLY, but, thats pretty normal.

[VisiGod Friend VisiGodJoin date: January 2006Posts: 538Downloads:0Uploads:4 Thanks: 76 Thanked: 138 times in 18 posts]

#270367

mj1256
You seem to be one of the paid JA “members”.

[plinakos Friend plinakosJoin date: May 2008Posts: 10Downloads:0Uploads:0 Thanks: 3]

#270383

<em>@deanv 72625 wrote:</em><blockquote>A high quality tested template once a month is an excellent directive. Also update past templates for future Joomla releases as needed is another important directoin.
THanks!</blockquote>
I also agree. Old templates need to be updated in order to be compatible with newer Joomla releases! We should not be forced to change our sites structure / template because of compatibility issues!

[Menalto Friend MenaltoJoin date: May 2007Posts: 4736Downloads:0Uploads:43 Thanks: 2 Thanked: 531 times in 361 posts]

#270384

I feel its about time someone from JA gives a cleary and detailed explanation on this “call home function” and how its gonna work, by not say anything here you just make people frustrated…

[tonyg Friend tonygJoin date: June 2008Posts: 197Downloads:0Uploads:8 Thanks: 18 Thanked: 46 times in 27 posts]

#270386

Hi Menalto,

This is a quote from Hung on the subject.

“Hi everyone,
After reading feedback about the upcoming changes in the domain manager, especially the automatically registered function, we decide that the so called “Call Home” feature will not be implemented in the upcoming system updates. We are searching for a better solution for the domain management and we will keep you updated as soon as we find one.”

Here is a link to it http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/problems-with-ja-teline-iv-facebook-and-twitter/#post-266483

[bossep Friend bossepJoin date: April 2008Posts: 262Downloads:0Uploads:3 Thanks: 50 Thanked: 15 times in 3 posts]

#270415

Mj, Menelto and others,

I have been a bit quit for a bit and thought this “call home” issue was over.

Just for your information, I sent a bit of code to Hung some time ago but have not got any response so far.
My idea is to work with a coded key (public algorithm) that requires one call to the server on installation.

Once that is done its no more hazel. But it requires a pretty good backend application (sent him code for that to) but it has to be integrated with their client database. So one idea is on the table at least.

BosseP

[vsierra Friend vsierraJoin date: September 2008Posts: 1Downloads:0Uploads:0]

#271166

Thanks for your support guys

[amyjustine Friend amyjustineJoin date: July 2007Posts: 22Downloads:0Uploads:2 Thanks: 6 Thanked: 3 times in 1 posts]

#271223

hi there

For the record, Id like to add that i sympathize strongly with all who said they weren’t going to renew in case a call home function is implemented. this comes a late, perhaps, as the issue appears to have resolved, but i felt like stating my stance here, too. (if the call home idea has been withdrawn, why hasn’t the respective post been updated?)

anyways…….

what i’d like to know is if anything else in the JA membership rules conditions packages etc. has changed lately ? (apart from the announcement that from August 2009 there’ll be 1 template a month).

i am asking because i recently reviewed the conditions and packages, and at least one detail struck me as a little odd, to tell you the truth.

Background:
I renewed my JATC Standart 1 year Membership back in July without much ado. As I’m sure you know, the deal goes for US$70 and gives you the right to uses 3 JA Templates. The offer to ‘renew’ this package for US$49 seemed a good deal, and i went for for it without thinking to much about it. So far, so good.

Today, after seeing the ”important changes” announcement i reviewed my panel more carefully and found out that my socalled ‘renewal’ at a ‘discount’ price of my ‘JATC-Standart-3-Templates-1-yr-Package’ grants me the right for just one additional template.

I’m tempted to think i missed something here.
First off, a ‘renewal’ that gives me only third of the value of the original package comes across much rather as a ‘downgrade’ than a ‘renewal’.
Secondly, at a third of the original value the ‘discount’ is rather a ‘raise’ for anyone who does the math.
I now feel that not renewing the membership and signing up for a fresh account instead would have gotten me a better value than choosing the discount renewal.
Duh.

Moreover, right now i don’t recall a notice informing me that the conditions (3 templates a year) for my JATC Standart 1 year membership would change (to 1 template) upon renewal, which is is exactly what is the case, in my opinion.

I cant be 100% sure right now, since its been a few months.
What I am very sure of tho is that i was honestly assuming to be aquiring the right to use another 3 templates by renewing my JATC-Standart-3-Templates-in-1-yr-package, and not 1. It was an assumption based on common sense and I now feel a bit mislead.

My question here is:
Does this have anyhting to do at all with the important changes that were recently announced or has this always been so and ive just been careless and/or blind when i decided to renew ?

I’m asking because the policy seems to make soooo little sense:
A renewing customer gets 4 templates/2 years and pays $119 (29.75 per template)
A customer who signs up twice gets 6 templates/2 years and pays $140 (23.33 per template)
Why would anyone want to renew under these conditions ?

It would be much appreciated if anyone can set me straight on this…

Regards to all
amy

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[tanstar Friend tanstarJoin date: February 2007Posts: 5Downloads:0Uploads:1 Thanks: 4 Thanked: 1 times in 1 posts]

#271270

OMG that is true. I just renewed for $49 and I can’t even use a template on 1 more domain because I’ve used them all? How does that work? I don’t think I used them all when I first joined, but I can’t even find the records to check that – they are just listing the 4 domains. After joining I got 3, now I’ve renewed twice so that at least should be 5 domains (but I thought 3 more each time).

Thanks for bringing this up as I wouldn’t have noticed.

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