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[zandercent Friend zandercentJoin date: November 2006Posts: 75Downloads:0Uploads:0 Thanks: 4 Thanked: 1 times in 1 posts]

#278422

Why doesn’t Joomlart email members directly when there is a change of terms on their paid for agreements?

From what I recall it required some level of investigation to find out what all the implemented and suggested changes were/meant.

Is it too much hassle to show paid members the courtesty of sending us an email when you change things or suggest major changes.

Joomlart makes the best templates out there, but some attention to their customers would be better.

Thanks god – at least – that the ‘call home’ function has been binned – good move guys!

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1. bossep

[rimas Friend rimasJoin date: May 2008Posts: 70Downloads:0Uploads:6 Thanks: 11 Thanked: 1 times in 1 posts]

#293111

So is there any answer about question how new licencing system work ? Is any call back and how it effect website etc. ?

[annaleen Friend annaleenJoin date: April 2007Posts: 187Downloads:0Uploads:5 Thanks: 56 Thanked: 13 times in 1 posts]

#293478

On my calendar It’s February not August 2009, why only one template and forget the excuse of an extra theme! You’re putting too much on your plate, I doubt if it will improve the templates because now you use that time to focus on your Magento templates, still not focussing on Joomla templates.

Yes and a proper email for all clients will be right way to do business.

[mavdes Friend mavdesJoin date: December 2007Posts: 21Downloads:2Uploads:0 Thanks: 3]

#293948

frankly im lost 🙂

depends at my registration here .. is it still legal that i remove (Designed By Joomlart.com) from the templates ? without ordering the removal ? and if yes how i can do that.. and if No.. then if i keep it that means it a advertise am i right?

frankly i can unpublish the footer and make a new module and put it as a footer .. but this is not a solution .. i need to know if i have the legaliy to remove the licence or not.. specialy coz am arabizing the templates

thank u

[wooohanetworks Friend wooohanetworksJoin date: September 2008Posts: 1239Downloads:0Uploads:2 Thanks: 148 Thanked: 138 times in 41 posts]

#293954

I do not like answering on customer support issues no more, especially as NONE of the Moderators is ever really online and ever answered any question. They sit there with their new forum area and may talk a bloom about Joomlart.com. I do not know for what those people are moderators, they come in sometime, talk some “really really useful” stuff and go again. Now when you confront them that there is some thread they should answer with their sufficient knowledge about Joomlart.com Terms and conditions, like this one here, you will probably see them even less often then before… It is hilarious.

Now to your question, it was discussed widely some month ago and now the case is that any member with a regular membership who joined before the one day in September 2008 is entitled to legally remove the copyright notice in the footer.

But, again, it is strange, developer members receive a copyright removal kit, I also received such, this explains how to remove the copyrights on the internal side. Now this membership also entitles you to remove any references to Joomlart.com in any file there is. So you can remove all the headers in template files that give references to Joomlart.com when you have a developer membership.

So far so good, when you look at JA Cooper, looking at the php files of the template and also the css, there is no legal header anymore, the files start directly with the codes. When now all the new template are built this way, a lot of developer members will feel p****d that they pay so much more money, when now everyone has no reference to Joomlart.com in the templates no more and to be entitled to remove those when there are none no more, that will make them feel p””d, as now also regular members have the same stuff they paid a few hundred dollars more. Understanding , folks?

???

[scotty Friend scottyJoin date: March 2008Posts: 2339Downloads:0Uploads:13 Thanks: 76 Thanked: 827 times in 595 posts]

#293976

How do your write 4 paragraphs of rubbish and still not answer the chaps question? Nobody cares about your personal thoughts on the subject!

Mavdes if you purchased your CURRENT license after Sept ’08 you can NOT remove the copyright or ‘Designed by’ info for any domain you did not register before Sept ’08.

I presume you renewed last December so therefor you can not remove the info for any new domains you register.

Full details here… http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/removing-footer-copyright-hung-miccas-moderators/

[VisiGod Friend VisiGodJoin date: January 2006Posts: 538Downloads:0Uploads:4 Thanks: 76 Thanked: 138 times in 18 posts]

#294021

<em>@scotty 115273 wrote:</em><blockquote>How do your write 4 paragraphs of rubbish and still not answer the chaps question? Nobody cares about your personal thoughts on the subject!

Mavdes if you purchased your CURRENT license after Sept ’08 you can NOT remove the copyright or ‘Designed by’ info for any domain you did not register before Sept ’08.

I presume you renewed last December so therefor you can not remove the info for any new domains you register.

Full details here… http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/removing-footer-copyright-hung-miccas-moderators/</blockquote>

Scotty, I am not really sure that such restrictions on what you can remove or not are in compliance with the Joomla! license. As the copyright message is within a PHP file, which is supposed to be GPL. And a GPL file could be modified in any manner you want.

[ShannonN Friend ShannonNJoin date: July 2006Posts: 1947Downloads:0Uploads:9 Thanks: 16 Thanked: 172 times in 49 posts]

#294022

VisiGod;115329Scotty, I am not really sure that such restrictions on what you can remove or not are in compliance with the Joomla! license. As the copyright message is within a PHP file, which is supposed to be GPL. And a GPL file could be modified in any manner you want.

Why don’t we stop guessing and while we are waiting for JA to respond or formulate a response contact those who wrote the GPL/Joomla liscense, and explain the circumstances and get the experts to adjudicate? as I feel JA will give us their interpretation rather than what is really needed 😉

Cheers ShannonN

[VisiGod Friend VisiGodJoin date: January 2006Posts: 538Downloads:0Uploads:4 Thanks: 76 Thanked: 138 times in 18 posts]

#294024

http://www.joomla.org/announcements/team-news/3510-open-source-does-matter.html

How does the treatment of templates differ from the treatment of components, modules, and plugins?

In our opinion, templates are composite packages that consist of both code elements and non-code elements. We believe that the code elements of a template must be licensed under the GNU GPL because they are derivative works. However, the non-code elements are just data acted upon by the software and may be licensed in any way the author sees fit. The non-code elements include elements like Images, Movies, Animations, CSS and formatting markup.

Please see: “Does JavaScript included in templates and extensions need to be licensed under the GPL?” and “Does the CSS in my template need to be licensed under the GPL?”

I think it is pretty clear and not kind of any guess at all.

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1. ShannonN

[scotty Friend scottyJoin date: March 2008Posts: 2339Downloads:0Uploads:13 Thanks: 76 Thanked: 827 times in 595 posts]

#294027

Well it’s not a guess but it’s still just an opinion. As far as JA are concerned you can not remove the copyright without paying.

[Menalto Friend MenaltoJoin date: May 2007Posts: 4736Downloads:0Uploads:43 Thanks: 2 Thanked: 531 times in 361 posts]

#294028

<em>@scotty 115337 wrote:</em><blockquote>Well it’s not a guess but it’s still just an opinion. As far as JA are concerned you can not remove the copyright without paying.</blockquote>

Easier than this it can’t be said;)

[VisiGod Friend VisiGodJoin date: January 2006Posts: 538Downloads:0Uploads:4 Thanks: 76 Thanked: 138 times in 18 posts]

#294029

That’s why I asked for a clearance from Hung, if his company will be in compliance with the Joomla! license or not 🙂
If they don’t follow what Joomla! think is right, I am just not going to be part of it. It’s simple as that.

And I certainly don’t like that they are changing the rules so often.

[scotty Friend scottyJoin date: March 2008Posts: 2339Downloads:0Uploads:13 Thanks: 76 Thanked: 827 times in 595 posts]

#294036

I think they are in compliance.

It says on the Joomla site…
<blockquote>In our opinion, templates are composite packages that consist of both code elements and non-code elements. We believe that the code elements of a template must be licensed under the GNU GPL because they are derivative works. However, the non-code elements are just data acted upon by the software and may be licensed in any way the author sees fit. The non-code elements include elements like Images, Movies, Animations, CSS and formatting markup. </blockquote>

The ‘template’ consists of CSS, images, and formatting. No?

According to Joomla, the author can license these ‘in any way the author sees fit‘. Joomlart see fit to add ‘Designed by Joomlart’ to the footer of the page and to charge people to remove it. I can not see how this is in breach of the ‘rules’ on the Joomla page.

[VisiGod Friend VisiGodJoin date: January 2006Posts: 538Downloads:0Uploads:4 Thanks: 76 Thanked: 138 times in 18 posts]

#294037

We believe that the code elements of a template must be licensed under the GNU GPL because they are derivative works.
Joomlart is forbidding me to change the code of index.php (read it as removing the footer) which is not in compliance with the GPL.

[scotty Friend scottyJoin date: March 2008Posts: 2339Downloads:0Uploads:13 Thanks: 76 Thanked: 827 times in 595 posts]

#294041

You edit the index.php in any way you see fit. And you can remove the footer if you wish. But…

Joomlart did design the CSS. They did provide the images, and they did script the formatting markup. All the essential elements of a template, non-code elements.

As per the text on the Joomla page… “the authors can license this in ANY way they see fit”! Joomart license agreement states you must leave ‘Designed by Joomlart’ on the front end.

I don’t see how there is any confusion over this.

I am surprised that Joomla.org decide to use the GNU/GPL license system and then say ‘In our opinion…‘ as if they are taking their own interpretation of the license. If they were going to do this then they should have just come up with their own license in the first place.

At the end of the day it’s all irrelevent.

If JA say you must agree to our T&C’s to purchase and use our templates then you are bound by that aggreement afterwards. Regardless of any GUL license.

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