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#265302

With more than 11 pages already, it is unwise to explore the issue of “automated registration and licensing” here.

It will just be burried and forgotten. As I posted earlier, these related issues are too important and deserve a separate thread.

In the Feedback Forum, I initiated a new thread:

What are the limits of a Developer license? And the automated registration proposal
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/what-are-the-limits-of-a-developer-license-and-the-automated-registration-proposal/

While we must be concerned, as members, with the potential abuse of the automated registration as it affects us, we must recognize the right of Joomlart to protect their copyright to the templates they created.

The potential for abuse works both ways here. To be blunt about the issue — we are concerned about Joomlart abusing the “automated registration”. And yet, we are blind to the potential of customers violating the strict licensing policy of Joomlart.

These two sides of potential abuse must be resolved to the satisfaction of both parties.

You might want to read the response of Hung in this thread:

Developer licence – confused
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/developer-licence-confused/

From Hung’s response about, some mrembers would be in violation of the Joomlart licensing policy — the reason why they want to institute the automated registration. It will be easier to catch those who abuse the Joomlart license.

Cornelio

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#265319

<em>@perdu 73413 wrote:</em><blockquote>Exactly.
Most of this thread has focused around the change from 2 to 1 templates a month, I think now’s a good time to focus on the ‘new improved licence’ system which probably has more serious implications.

Perhaps JA could elaborate exactly how this will work?</blockquote>

As I expected, Hung provided an insight to how the automated registration works here:

# of domains
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/of-domains/

<em>@Hung Dinh 72618 wrote:</em><blockquote>
There is one thing that we provide license to domains, not sites.

In the upcoming update of license management system. The templates will not fully function on unregistered domains.</blockquote>

Edit: Please learn to “read in between lines”. Read it again, and again and again, if need be — you may understand that the statement of Hung I placed in bold has very troubling ramifications.

Cornelio

N.B. iJoomla has done that to me last year when I bought their Magazine script. I cannot make it work . When they installed it for me, there were new files, like the license file that was not in the one I downloaded.

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#265345

I simply think a vote would have been good, for both the number of templates and the licensing, seeing as this decision states ‘it echoes the wishes of users on the forum.’

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#265383

<em>@dilby 73525 wrote:</em><blockquote>I simply think a vote would have been good, for both the number of templates and the licensing, seeing as this decision states ‘it echoes the wishes of users on the forum.'</blockquote>

Hi dilby;

For the record, two polls have been conducted whether to retain the two templates per month or one template per month. One of these polls was initiated by Hung. If I remember correctly Hung’s poll was initiated either very late last year or sometime in early January 2008. It was very heated debate but as far as the poll went, those who bothered to vote preferred the one template per month.

Before I left the Forum in early February, I remember it was about 55% in favor of the one template per month. For some reason, that thread disappeared, or at least I cannot find it. I was interested with the thread because the issue kept on creeping back. Moreover, I read some posts that implied that it was the “two templates per month that won — which is just not true.

Thus, I initiated a new thread, summarized the arguments of both sides and initiated a Poll.

Another vote: One template vs two templates
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/another-vote-one-template-vs-two-templates/

and Hung responded:

Important changes to the JA Templates Club
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showthread.php?p=72516

before closing the Poll thread.

The positions raised by those who are not too happy with the “one template per month” therefore are not new. That is why not so many of the “veterans” here, except Tom wanted to go into one-on-one gladiators clash.

From the beginning, the way the original Poll (now not found) was presented, Joomlart has assessed its manpower, capabilities and perhaps the “bottom line” of every commercial company, etc., it was apparent that Joomlart wanted to go to the “one template per month”, like most of the more prominent and successful Joomla template companies.

The original Poll therefore was more to feel how the membership would take it.

There was blood shed on both sides of the issue, and if words can killm many would have died in the war of words, in that first poll.

In the end, as stated repeatedly by Tom, those who participated in the first and second Poll were in favor of the “one template per month — overwhelmingly so 70%-30%, in the second Poll.

Some would argue that the Polls — considering the number of those who participated are not accurate representation of the membership, but whose fault is that? Apathy is the enemy of democracy and the greatest ally of tyrants.

Anyway, I like to think that after dragging their feet for months, and considering all the Pros and Cons of the alternatives, Hung and Joomlart finally came to a decision.

It is naive, and insulting to Hung and Joomlart to suggest that they have not weighed the “competitive advantage” (or lack thereof) of the “two template per month”. They have been doing that for almost three years now. Thus, to move to “one template per month” was not was not a decision that Hung has taken because he got out of the wrong side of the bed on 20080808.

Did you get the significance of the date of the announcement?

Cornelio

N.B.

I did not tackle the “licensing issue” here because that is a new policy. I posted my own perpective on the matter in another thread.

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#265388

I didn’t see anything change on Joomlart’s home page.
“58 current templates+ 24 more every year. 2 templates released every month.”

:confused: I start to wonder have they put some thoughts before they took the action.
I don’t care it’s 1 or 2, as long as a good stuff provided.

One more thing, I am fine with auto register. How does that work with intranet facility or non-internet accessible facility?

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#265400

Unfortunately you are not right about this. There is no insight on how it works on this thread. Only that it is going to be an automated system…

Will it do a callback to Joomlart? Can it harm my SEO rankings? Can it potentially make my load time slower? And so on and so on… There are probably about 30 more questions unless I can get more info about how this automation system will work.

<em>@cgc0202 73490 wrote:</em><blockquote>As I expected, Hung provided an insight to how the automated registration works here:

# of domains
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/of-domains/

iJoomla has done that to me last year when I bought their Magazine script. I cannot make it work . When they installed it for me, there were new files, like the license file that was not in the one I downloaded.</blockquote>

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#265406

<em>@ErikThorsen 73599 wrote:</em><blockquote>Unfortunately you are not right about this. There is no insight on how it works on this thread. Only that it is going to be an automated system…

Will it do a callback to Joomlart? Can it harm my SEO rankings? Can it potentially make my load time slower? And so on and so on… There are probably about 30 more questions unless I can get more info about how this automation system will work.</blockquote>

Hi Eric,

Do not let pessimism affect your judgment. Read my post again.:

What to expect with license management system
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showpost.php?p=73490&postcount=107

I stated “it gives insight“, I never stated it will answer your questions directly.

The statement of Hung that I placed in bold in the post I linked here has ramifications that are quite troubling. I was being subtle, but if you guys cannot “read in between lines”, I cannot think for you.

But read the statement of Hung, I placed in bold.. again and again and again. You may finally get how dangerous that single statement implies.

There is a reason why I urge that the issue of automated registration be discussed as a separate thread. I thought I could entice you guys to do this but I do not see any such move.

There is a reason why I created this new thread:

What are the limits of a Developer license? And the automated registration proposal
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/what-are-the-limits-of-a-developer-license-and-the-automated-registration-proposal/

but if you do not get it, or it is met with apathy….

Cornelio

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#265557

<em>@wooger 72567 wrote:</em><blockquote>Jbrett – “There comes a time when it just doesn’t make sense to spend precious development time propping up dozens of “old tech” templates at the expense of the new.”

Totally agree, I also like your idea of moving the older templates over to the free side and allowing the community to support them.

I suppose it makes sense to have your best devs supporting and debugging the latest templates rather than babysitting the older ones.</blockquote>

I agree also

<em>@bossep 72811 wrote:</em><blockquote>
1. Better follow up on BUGS. There is not such a thing as a bug free application when it is first released. Many of them don’t show until the users start to use them in ways you didn’t anticipated.

2. Update patches. We need to be able to update our applications after bug fixes and when new versions are produced. We can’t start from scratch with a new Quick start that over wrights everything.

3. An updated change log. We need to know what has been changed and ware.
</blockquote>

a cant agree more..

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#265590

<em>@Hung Dinh 72517 wrote:</em><blockquote>Discussion thread for “Important changes to the JA Templates Club” announcement</blockquote>
dear host:

I suggest that template provides two register ways.
one can be by manual.another way can be automatical.

some people don’t need to apply templates to any other sites maybe.
I hope templates providers can think many aspects seriously.

many thanks.

<blockquote>From September 2008 (or earlier), a new license & domain management system will be introduced. You will not have to add domains to the license system.It will automatically be registered once you install the template.</blockquote>

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#265606

<em>@mfcphil 72544 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hung you must make this visable on your Home Page so anyone signing up for a year after today knows where they stand!!!</blockquote>

I completely agree ! Such a change should be more visible on the first page of the site. It should not be a little link in the right top corner but a full article.

I also completely with the comments saying we all hope it will allow the team to provide more sophisticated and original templates. The recent ones really look poor redesigns of existing ones or include completely unuseful features (like the drag and drop modules…).

Will we finally have a real Community template fully integrating Community Builder ??? (like Icetheme IT Together did… sorry to promote concurrents but at least they provided an useful template. Such a pity it was not a joomlart template…).

Hope the team will listen to the users and move on !

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#265607

I must agree, I would like QUALITY templates over quantity.

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#265615

<em>@markb1439 72751 wrote:</em><blockquote>I don’t like the automatic registration idea. I abide by license restrictions and I don’t mind spending money for the templates I use (and I have memberships in three clubs). But I often experiment and do mockups on several dead domains and subdomains. Most of those are never seen by the public, and I don’t like the idea of those now burning up my allowable domains, and having to manage that.

I don’t like any component on my site “phoning home.” Please reconsider that. You say you’re doing this to make it easier for us. I’m sure you’re actually doing it to prevent misuse. But for those of us who will not misuse, this certainly isn’t easier than taking a few seonds to sign up a domain.</blockquote>

Agree with this and will not renew if it is put in place.

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#265686

Hmz,
if there is automated licensing, it could be protected with encoded parts of the template only. Which is more or less in violation of the Joomla! license itself (of course, if JA doesn’t provides the source of the encrypted files – then it is fine). However, if it is not encoded, any part of the licensing check could be removed and this is expected to be possible for any Joomla! extension that is compatible with the GPL. Forbiding to edit the source files and removing this check is a breach of the GPL license as well.

Interesting situation.

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#265687

Even though I support one template per month, I do not like the idea of JA registration for two reason…

1. The Death of the Club

I use two templates out of 80 plus on my production site. I play with any of the templates and other resources available to me and if I like one over another, I enjoy that “club” right of replacing the templates at will. Sometimes I use my online playgroud, mainly a sub-domain, other times I use my localhost.

2. Need for Support

I am sure there will be more issues about installations should you put restrictions on the products. I am not looking forward to posting support questions on this forums because that is the last thing I need; wait forever for an answer! I once bought a nifty little component that displayed articles in a nice magazine style. They had a quick and helpful support system, but because of their restrictions on registration, eventually I dropped them and never bought another product from them.

I can appreciate the need for JA to protect themselves against members who might abuse their membership. I support 100% your need to compete, maintain large collection and create better designs. I really do not like the effect your registration will have on my use of the product.

This is very discouraging.

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#265721

<em>@Hung Dinh 72517 wrote:</em><blockquote>Discussion thread for “Important changes to the JA Templates Club” announcement</blockquote>

Mr. Hung Dinh wrote:
84 is a good number when we talk about the variety and wide templates selection for any member. Everyone can find a template of his tastes among that 84 templates.//

Good day,
I am new cookie. For now i have domain name, server, joomla 1.5.6., (juhuuu:), I’m rich! )

Olso,I Have A Dream …… –> The Pleasures of Cooking!

My dream template:
1. Security
2. template function: extensions + modules + components + plugins etc w/

a) easy navigation
b) english and my First lang. (home1/home2)
c) frontpage / intro
d) recipes component (sample:gary’s cookbook ).
e) gallery -> step by step cooking
f) video –> cooking lessons
sample:sayret http://domainsbydoone.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&Itemid=142 /
http://www.paulbain.co.uk/simple-youtube-plugin-for-mambo-easytube-mambot/

g) members mini-sites

—-

3.Keyword/tip for template disagner: family,healt,happiness,food,flowers

Just wondering.. who can help me find My Dream template and profesional installation for 1 domain?

mp 😀

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