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[ithacaindy Friend ithacaindyJoin date: January 2010Posts: 335Downloads:0Uploads:10 Thanks: 20 Thanked: 12 times in 1 posts]

#159354

While we wait for a full migration tool, I’ve found a great time-saver for the most arduous task: moving all of your articles from a Joomla 1.5 database to your new Joomla 1.6 database.

1. Go to extensions.joomla.org and download j2xml for your Joomla1.5 site.
2. Export your articles (plus images, categories, users) to an xml file.
3. Get the Joomla 1.6 version of j2xml (it’s a beta, but works fine.)
4. Import your J1.5 xml file into the j2xml for J1.6.
5. Log yourself out, then back in.
6. All of your articles, images, categories, and users have been transferred.

Now you can migrate your templates and extensions — the easy part.

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<em>@ithacaindy 217765 wrote:</em><blockquote>While we wait for a full migration tool, I’ve found a great time-saver for the most arduous task: moving all of your articles from a Joomla 1.5 database to your new Joomla 1.6 database.

1. Go to extensions.joomla.org and download j2xml for your Joomla1.5 site.
2. Export your articles (plus images, categories, users) to an xml file.
3. Get the Joomla 1.6 version of j2xml (it’s a beta, but works fine.)
4. Import your J1.5 xml file into the j2xml for J1.6.
5. Log yourself out, then back in.
6. All of your articles, images, categories, and users have been transferred.

Now you can migrate your templates and extensions — the easy part.</blockquote>

Hi ithacaindy,

Did you perform this with your sites? And, do you have the old site with lots of data and the resulting site where you migrated the data?

I would like to see both in private some working URL, if you do not want to show them here. Then, may have some follow up clarifications.

Joomlart normally does not support third party extensions in the forum.

If this works, I may use the migrated actual data to populate a bare Joomla-Teline IV installation. I have never done that before.

I was looking at the actual files of the Joomla-Teline II QuickStart kit and the bulk of the stuff that was adding to the more than 47Mb bloat were non-screen optimized images, all those Joomla intro information that you will have to remove anyways, Joomlart promos of course, etc.

Plus, once you add your own categories the starting number is already way above 100 categories.

Do you have some experience with database (MSQL) editing, download and upload?

Thanks.

Cornelio

N.B. Kindly post a short note here, if you do decide to send me a private note.

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#374102

<em>@cgc0202 217798 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hi ithacaindy,

Did you perform this with your sites? And, do you have the old site with lots of data and the resulting site where you migrated the data?
</blockquote>

Yes. The new site is still being developed, but the “old site” is still available at ithacaindy.com.

<em>@cgc0202 217798 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Joomlart normally does not support third party extensions in the forum.
</blockquote>

I am not a Joomlart representative. However, I apologize if mentioning an extension bent the rules. I simply wanted to offer the information after avoiding what I thought would be the horrendous task of hand copying hundreds of articles to the new database.

<em>@cgc0202 217798 wrote:</em><blockquote>
I was looking at the actual files of the Joomla-Teline II QuickStart kit and the bulk of the stuff that was adding to the more than 47Mb bloat were non-screen optimized images, all those Joomla intro information that you will have to remove anyways, Joomlart promos of course, etc.
</blockquote>

The quickstart package is nice, particularly for people new to the template. However, I typically delete all images, articles, categories and menu items from the demo installation. Even so, I noticed when backing up my site prior to the J1.5 to J1.6 import that it was a 115MB download.

<em>@cgc0202 217798 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Do you have some experience with database (MSQL) editing, download and upload?
</blockquote>

Only in that I know how to create the database and drop/backup/import the tables.

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#374455

Hi Ithacaindy – It is 3 days later and I see that you have 4eline 4 running, but can’t tell if you are on 1.6 Joomla.

Were you successful? Do you have any more tips to add? I am going from Teline 2 and thinking about 4.

Thanks, Joe

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<em>@joeflynn 218492 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hi Ithacaindy – It is 3 days later and I see that you have 4eline 4 running, but can’t tell if you are on 1.6 Joomla.

Were you successful? Do you have any more tips to add? I am going from Teline 2 and thinking about 4.

</blockquote>

My 1.6 site is on the back burner while I await the release of 1.6 versions of a few key extensions. The site works perfectly from the end-user perspective. The one drawback to any major upgrade (and going to 1.6 when there is no migration path from 1.5 components) is that you have a shiny new car without an engine or wheels. This may change is a few months as major developers issue updates.

In the meantime, the lack of 1.6 components has made me rethink the need for some of the extensions. If I have any tip, it is the old saw about differentiating need from want. If you need the core changes offered by 1.6, I say full steam ahead. But if you simply want the newest thing available, Joomla 1.5 is still a well-proven workhorse.

I think it is a sign of the current situation of a new release without all the needed extensions, that Joomla apparently has lengthened the time period it will support J1.5.

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<em>@ithacaindy 218008 wrote:</em><blockquote>
I am not a Joomlart representative. However, I apologize if mentioning an extension bent the rules. I simply wanted to offer the information after avoiding what I thought would be the horrendous task of hand copying hundreds of articles to the new database.</blockquote>

ithacaindy,

It is a very good tip actually, that was why I inquired. [But, in the past there were some veteran members very loyal to Joomlart who frowned upon members including links after their signature advertising their companies, or something they like.]

Anyway, I tried a shortcut and created an sql of the database of one of my sites to see if it will work. My hunch is that it won’t because there are components that are different between the Teline II sites (including the actual table structures of the databases) and Teline IV.

True enough, there was incompatibility.

<em>@ithacaindy 218008 wrote:</em><blockquote>

The quickstart package is nice, particularly for people new to the template. However, I typically delete all images, articles, categories and menu items from the demo installation. Even so, I noticed when backing up my site prior to the J1.5 to J1.6 import that it was a 115MB download.

</blockquote>

Almost all of my previous installations were also using QuickStart, it is fast and easy to follow. However, with my Teline IV Joomla 1.5 installations, there is a bug in the kit that I discovered accidentally. I inquired privately if others experienced something in their installations, but there seem to be no similar report here of any anomally experienced by others. So, the must be unique to my installations????

Anyway, when I used the sequential installation, Joomla full kit then installation of Teline IV extensions and template (eliminating what I hypothesized to be the culprit), I eliminated the problem.

Joe,

I agree with Ithaca Indy,

There are still no Joomla 1.6 updates for the key extensions I bought from other companies. They play a major role in the presentation of images through the site, so it does not make sense to migrate until the extensions you are using are upgraded.

You should be aware also that the Teline IV is much slower than Teline II (well a few seconds difference in countries with high speed internet but several minutes or longer to load in countries where slow internet access are still prevalent).

If speed is not an issue to your target audience, Teline IV has a much more appealing layout and greater possibilitues for website presentations. These are the pluses.

Most of the sites I created were based fromTeline II. I may end up cherry picking the features of the various Teline templates, and mixing them with other third party extensions.

Overall, Joomla 1.6 offers more features that correct the limitations of Joomla 1.5, it just needs to mature more.

Cornelio

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#375142

Thanks ithacaindy, thanks Cornelio

Right you both are. I have to wait for Fabrik to go 1.6 before changing anyway.

I didn’t know that Teline II was faster. I actually like the cleaner look of II over IV. I was actually just going to try IV with 1.6 to leapfrog into all the new formats at one time. I guess it is best to wait.

Peace out.

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#375144

<em>@ithacaindy 218008 wrote:</em><blockquote>I am not a Joomlart representative. However, I apologize if mentioning an extension bent the rules. I simply wanted to offer the information after avoiding what I thought would be the horrendous task of hand copying hundreds of articles to the new database.</blockquote>

No need to apologize. Mentioning other extensions is fine, it is just JA cannot provide support on them simply because we do not know them. If you find a great extension that is worthy of mention then we are happy to see it.

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#375256

joeflynn,

Actually, Teline IV has a very clean framework once you clean it up — delete most of the whistles and bells, and those that you do not need. From my own perspective, the general layout of Teline IV offers a lot more ways to create a more customized website than Teline II. That is why I have been excited about it when I first looked at the basic layout framework.

As to speed, Teline IV can be made faster. I have not tested how fast my dummy Teline IV site yet when it actually has content compared to my customized Teline II, but what I am going to do is customize a very simple introductory page — which you can do with Teline IV much easier than with Teline II.

The most frustrating right now is the Magazine menu of Telline IV Joomls 1.6. It does not have the automated inclusion of created categories, and it does not have a leapfrog mechanism to rearrange the categories in the Magazine menu. I tried the Jazin plugin, as suggested by the staff and jazin plugin I downloaded messed up one Sandbox site completely. It created a duplicate “magazin” menu and introduced back a “Frontpage” duplicating the JA News Frontpage module, but the added Frontpage has the default layout of Joomla, which look more like the parent category layout and behaves like one.

There are so many features of Joomla 1.6 that is worth taking the time to learn it now. I am using the stantandard export/import features of the database to migrate content from Joomla 1.5 Teline II to Teline IV. I have not tried the migration to Joomla 1.6 yet.

But, it requires a lot from us to do both the customization of the template and understanding the Joomla 1.6.

Cornelio

<em>@joeflynn 219436 wrote:</em><blockquote>Thanks ithacaindy, thanks Cornelio

Right you both are. I have to wait for Fabrik to go 1.6 before changing anyway.

I didn’t know that Teline II was faster. I actually like the cleaner look of II over IV. I was actually just going to try IV with 1.6 to leapfrog into all the new formats at one time. I guess it is best to wait.

Peace out.</blockquote>

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