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  • instantinlaw Friend
    July 8, 2009 at 9:20 pm #142613

    Joomla 1.6 is going to be a big change for everyone. There are going to be some really exciting features and a new learning curve for everyone too. Check out a preview of the changes/features. < PDF. At the rate they are going, it’ll be stable by the end of the year!
    I just hope that JA will be able to update all the templates quickly when it’s time to upgrade 😉

    scotty Friend
    July 8, 2009 at 11:16 pm #310437

    I’ve got it installed and have been playing around with it a bit. Yea some nice new features and many tasks are now made a bit easier. I think some people will be a bit disappointed there are not more features being added but it’s only a step forward not a leap.

    mj1256 Friend
    July 9, 2009 at 3:47 am #310440

    i just don’t think its going to happen by august and then be stable by the end of the year. 1.5.x series took a long time for stability and acceptance. Also, as there is no legacy mode, all extensions will need to be rewritten directly for the new 1.6 versions, and that will limit functionality and adoption of the new version.

    instantinlaw Friend
    July 9, 2009 at 3:23 pm #310493

    scotty;135991I’ve got it installed and have been playing around with it a bit. Yea some nice new features and many tasks are now made a bit easier. I think some people will be a bit disappointed there are not more features being added but it’s only a step forward not a leap.

    Hi Scotty,
    I don’t think the goal of J 1.6 is to add new features, there are plenty of 3rd party components for that, rather I think the goal of 1.6 is to streamline the code, modernize the code, and make a more stable environment.
    I admire the fact that you are playing around with the beta already, but I’m going to wait for RC1 as I’m sure some things are going to change by then. 😉

    instantinlaw Friend
    July 9, 2009 at 3:31 pm #310495

    mj1256;135997i just don’t think its going to happen by august and then be stable by the end of the year. 1.5.x series took a long time for stability and acceptance. Also, as there is no legacy mode, all extensions will need to be rewritten directly for the new 1.6 versions, and that will limit functionality and adoption of the new version.

    Hi mj1256,
    You may be right, but judging by the way they are moving, and the recent policy changes like removing non GPL extensions from the JED, I think that they are going to force developers to either upgrade their code or be removed from the JED too.

    I seem to remmeber reading somwhere on Joomla.org that they were going to remove all 1.0 series components and modules from the JED at some point too.

    Personally I’m glad there will be no legacy mode as it makes it difficult when you want to use a particular component, but you can’t because one of your other components will not work with legacy turned on, or vice versa.

    Just my 2 cents. 🙂

    scotty Friend
    July 9, 2009 at 5:57 pm #310509

    Actually I’m playing around with the alpha – no beta yet. They’re going to introduce in some new changes with each beta release to try and keep things organised.

    I know it’s not a feature rich release but by ‘feature’ I’m not necessarily talking about new stuff. Like the way you can assign modules in the menu manager now for example. There are one or two ‘features’ being added though like a built in comments system.

    They’re also getting rid of a few things. The polls module for example and legacy mode.

    All non GPL extensions have already been removed or upgraded on the JED. I’m not sure if it’s necessarily a good thing. I hope it doesn’t push commercial developers away from Joomla.

    My estimate is 10 to 12 months for first stable release. Although once 1.5 went to RC1 it went to stable quiet fast so maybe we will see something around Christmas.

    instantinlaw Friend
    July 10, 2009 at 1:55 pm #310589

    Hey Scotty,
    Looks like you’re right about Christmas timeframe.

    For those of you who missed the live webcast of Andrew Eddie talking about the new version here is a link to watch the recorded version

    Really good stuff! 😎

    mj1256 Friend
    July 10, 2009 at 2:31 pm #310591

    my concern is that if developers need to upgrade thier code for the new version, we will lose many existing extensions because the developer will not take the expence of the upgrades on. That happend when 1.0.x went to 1.5.x, we lost manu extensions as they were abandoned instaed of upgraded

    scotty Friend
    July 10, 2009 at 3:21 pm #310597

    Yea I see your point but if it’s a valuable enough extension I think the developers will bring it forward. To be honest it will not be worth updating to 1.6 until all ‘essential’ extensions are also updated which could be many more months after the stable release.

    cgc0202 Friend
    July 10, 2009 at 3:46 pm #310605

    I hope the security is improved. This is one of my great concerns with Joomla.

    At the registration level, there must be simple stuff like

    1. integrated captcha,
    2. minimim password, username length
    3. ban of specific key special characters
    4. allow use of symbols (except those in banned list)
    5. limited repeated logins (the max. number and duration of “ban” to be controlled by Admin)
    6. etc.

    There are revisions cited that I am interested with.

    The merging of Section and Categories. It is about time. This is good though, only if it allows multi-layered categories

    Main Category => Subcategory 2 => Subcategory 3 => etc.

    This seems to be the case based on the PDF file. May someone among the developer testes verify this please?

    The ACL.

    How granular is the access control. They said it is possible to create new groups and access to speific files and categories. This seems to be the case based on the PDF file. May someone among the developer testes verify this please?

    Can you assign access to the extent of specific “categories” or if really advance, to specific files, like TikiWiki and almost standard in advanced forum softwares.

    Improved ACL helps enhance security and privacy, and as important granularity in access to files. In some personal sites, for example, there are files I want viewed only by my family, or specific individuals that I may not want even those with higher admin positions — editors, administrators, etc. — to view.

    If they have done this, as suggested in one of the White Papers, there will be no need for third party extensions, like those of Community Builders and some commercial extensions that now are exhorbitantly priced.

    They say change is good. However, only if it is for improvement. They had some features in the Joomla 1.0 that simplifies work for the administrator. Like one step procedure to make URLs (Titles) linkable, at the global level, as it once was. This must be true also for other article related components, sections, categories, etc.

    I am not sure if it was a Joomlart script or Joomla that did it, but he current system, as applied to Joomla-Teline II is too cumbersome, especially if you have gazillion sections and categories.

    Cornelio

    scotty Friend
    July 10, 2009 at 6:52 pm #310634

    Yea Cornelio, sections and categories have now been merged into just categories and they work the same way as menus where by you can have a parent cat. with unlimited sub-cats with unlimited sub-sub-cats and so on. There is no limit to the amount of levels you can have. There are also plans to allow for a categories (of any level) to be linked to more than one parent level.

    In the user manager now you can create groups and you can assign various permissions to these groups. Not all the permissions are finalised yet but they will be very specific. For example you can assign a group to just have access to the banner manager, or just the module manager, etc. You can also assign various content or menu items to only specific groups.

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    Phill Moderator
    July 10, 2009 at 7:49 pm #310641

    I’m looking forward to this too. Shame current templates need quite a bit of modification to work but a lot of components, mods and plugins work from the 1.5 version from my testing

    Should be good. I do hope you can change the groups that can perform certain functions.

    For instance, in Joomla 1.0 any member could add weblinks but in J1.5 you have tp be an author to do so without hacking the code.

    cgc0202 Friend
    July 11, 2009 at 1:14 pm #310693

    Thanks Scotty,

    I take it that you verified these with your existing developer installation?

    When you stated:

    “There are also plans to allow for a categories (of any level) to be linked to more than one parent level.”

    it is still something in the drawing board, and you have not verified them with your existing developer installation?

    This would be a very welcome feature. I wonder if the articles become automatically linked to.

    Although one that would even be better is the capabliity to link a single article to a number of categories. This feature will make templates like Teline II behave even more like commercial newspapers where many articles are linked to a number of major news categories.

    How does the registration process compare with the ideas proposed in a white paper released in early 2008 planned for Joomla 1.6? If it was implemented as proposed, together with the improved ACL, I would no longer need to rely on Community Builder. I would not have minded CB, if they update promptly, and if they make their latest update available to everyone. The other thing with using the CB is that it is just not a “registration” but a “community” software being bloated with yet another set of “third party” applications. This creates a problem during upgrades, and if something does not work with your own installation.

    Cornelio

    <em>@scotty 136251 wrote:</em><blockquote>Yea Cornelio, sections and categories have now been merged into just categories and they work the same way as menus where by you can have a parent cat. with unlimited sub-cats with unlimited sub-sub-cats and so on. There is no limit to the amount of levels you can have. There are also plans to allow for a categories (of any level) to be linked to more than one parent level.

    In the user manager now you can create groups and you can assign various permissions to these groups. Not all the permissions are finalised yet but they will be very specific. For example you can assign a group to just have access to the banner manager, or just the module manager, etc. You can also assign various content or menu items to only specific groups.</blockquote>

    cgc0202 Friend
    July 11, 2009 at 2:59 pm #310703

    Many of these features would be most ideal for the evolution of Teline II as a news-magazine. I hope that Joomlart web developers and programmers are taking note on this, and start preparing “mock up” for the development of improved Teline II, that many of us had been calling Teline III since last year.

    I read the read the recent thread about Teline III, in one of the responses by you knoww ho, touting the recent Rocket Theme news template, the one advocating for this Rocket Theme news template apparently may not have either even installed the said template or have a theoretical familiarity with Teline II itself. Thus, the said respondent does not really understand what constitures a true news-magazine script.

    When I compared the two, in spite of its shortcomings, Teline II is still the more advanced news-magazine template, still better than the actual news-magazine template released by RocketTheme in June 2008. Moreover, based from my evaluation of the recent Rocket Theme news template, it appears it is not really a news-magazine template. Even RocketTheme did not claim it to be a “news-magazine” like it did with its release of June 2008.

    I could be mistaken just by careful scrutiny of the features and examples of contents shown in their Demo, but I would not join another template company just to prove whether I am correct or not.

    The bottom line is that, like Apple and other telephone manufacturers who are tyring desperately to create the iPhone killer, Joomlart must not let its lead with the “news-magazine” template be isurped b others.

    Joomla has given a number of ammunitions for Joomlart to take advantage of. I would suggest again, as I posted in first forum post in Joomlart, that the staff (it may require someone with scripting/programming background) to examine the features outlined by iJoomla in both its News and Magazine softwares (independent softwares), take advantage of the new features currently being integrated and refined in Joomla 1.6, and really look at actual commercial newspapers and make them work.

    I would suggest also that Joomlart, may attempt to integrate some of the promises of their independent extensions meant for Developers, like the JA News (component), the JA Tabls, etc. — but please make them work. It is not enough to make the justification I read from one of the Moderators:

    “We did the best we cann do with the time limit we were given.”

    If something is not well-cooked, don’t feed them to the masses. They will have upset stomach, and by tranference upset “mouths”.

    To go back to the analogy on phones (or rather mobile computing devices), Joomlart has the chance to emulate Apple or take the route of Palm, or RIM,or God forbid Window mobile program. And I hope it will not emulate Nokia (phone), or Dell where they are trying to capture the market but forgot to keep up with innovations.

    Cornelio

    Phill Moderator
    July 11, 2009 at 4:28 pm #310714

    Well, you lost me there a bit.

    As for updated news style components have you tries K2 for your layouts?

    http://k2.joomlaworks.gr/

    I’ve not tried it yet but I did see a news site making superb use of it. I wish I could remember where though.

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