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#133645

The more things change…the more they stay the same.
Some good news for those struggling with getting Joomla SEO functions to work.

http://www.websitemagazine.com/content/blogs/posts/pages/google-suggests-not-rewriting-dynamic-urls.aspx

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1. dlocc
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#272011

Wow, cool! My personal preference is to have SEO functions turned on because it makes the URLs look so pretty :] but I doubt too many of my site visitors give a hoot. Thanks for sharing.

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#272016

but but but

the last sentence says that if you can rewrite urls, do it for your users.

also, it is still questionable just how well google and the other SE”s can actually crawl dynamic URL’s

and and and another but…

there is a little weight, not much, just a little weight added to the algorhythm if you have a keyword in your url, so mod rewriting would still be a good thing as far is ranking is concerned, and this is not mentioned in the article.

and them from my own knowledge, joomla user confuse the SEF options with SEO, they are two differnt things and activating the SEF function and mod rewrite is not search engine optimization, there is so much more to it than that.

and, did you know that google ignores the meta keyword tag??.

if anyone wants to learn more, i recommend hanging out at the searchengineforums.com discussion group.

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#272021

Do tell us some secrets!

<em>@mj1256 81723 wrote:</em><blockquote>but but but

the last sentence says that if you can rewrite urls, do it for your users.

also, it is still questionable just how well google and the other SE”s can actually crawl dynamic URL’s

and and and another but…

there is a little weight, not much, just a little weight added to the algorhythm if you have a keyword in your url, so mod rewriting would still be a good thing as far is ranking is concerned, and this is not mentioned in the article.

and them from my own knowledge, joomla user confuse the SEF options with SEO, they are two differnt things and activating the SEF function and mod rewrite is not search engine optimization, there is so much more to it than that.

and, did you know that google ignores the meta keyword tag??.

if anyone wants to learn more, i recommend hanging out at the searchengineforums.com discussion group.</blockquote>

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#272024

not secrets, I’ve been doing SEO for 12 years.

I just noticed that there are come joomla web developers ( or what ever they call themselves if they are not designers) that sell SEO services and think that click that SEF button does it.

Has anyone here heard of the SEO skeleton? Learn it.

Did you know that you should never, ever, under any circumstances, submit your site to a search engine

Did you know that you can optimize any one page for only 2 or 3 keyword PHRASEs

That every single page of your site can be optimized and ranked on its own as if it were the index page

That your chances of ranking for single keywords in nil, go for keyword phrases

that you should never welcome the visitors to your site, that most people put that word in the most important place on their site for their keyword phrase, so right now 90% of all websites are competing for the word “welcome” 🙁

thats google ignores the keyword meta tag, but if you do use it, and you use it incorrectly, they will penalize your site.

do you want more?

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#272027

Wow, great advice! But I do find this hard to swallow:

<blockquote>Did you know that you should never, ever, under any circumstances, submit your site to a search engine</blockquote>

What about Sitemaps?

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#272029

ok, i will clarify, never use the submit forms at the se’s,
but by all means use the sitemaps

it is best to have your website crawled from links such as sitemaps and other websites.

did you know that instead of using the webmaster tools at live/MSN, yahoo and google for the sitemaps you can just make one site map xml and then put this the path to it in your robots.txt file
sitemap:http://www.domainname.com/pathtositemap/sitemap.xml

and all of the search engines will get it from one source. sure saves a lot of hassle

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#272035

I think the google webmaster tools are very useful for SEO and I would suggest using them.

Are you using the term “SEO Skeleton” do you mean sitemaps? I did a search on SEO skeleton and everything seems to basically be refering to xml sitemaps…

Great responses though, thanks for sharing you experience. By visiting your site I understand a bit more (you should also have a few more google adsense hits shhh… 😉 )

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#272036

to, an seo skeleton is not a sitemap

and yes the webmasters tools are useful. i was just suggesting a little known alternative to sitemap submission so you don’t have to do all that manual work. when you handle over a hundred sites, juggling each sites webmaster tools at each search engine is impossible.

i don’t really care about adsense and i detest internet advertising. just my own opinion and experience. Its just there on my site because the world expects it.

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#272038

Ok, well sorry for supporting you and giving you FREE MONEY… so what the heck is a SEO Skeleton then?

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#272114

sorry, i miss understood you, thank you.

the skeleton is an outline of where certain specific items are placed and formatted in your source code and onpage for search engine rankings.

there are rules that govern where the titles and keywords go, how the page is laid out and how content is formated. if you follow the rules, you can rank very well.

the problem is that it is not what most people want to see in their layout. search engine optimization is not an add on to be done after a site is created, it needs to be included fromm the conception of a site.

I wrote this a long time ago and thing shave changed a bit, but this will give you and idea of what i’m talking about. I’m glad you brought this up as i really need to rewrite this. 🙂
Basic SEO Tips Tricks and The SEO Format Skeleton

and thanks for the clicks

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#280929

Hello Dear,

Wao its great news.

Article Directory

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#280972

Good on you MJ. If this is your job, make sure you keep some things secret. Otherwise in this ‘free advice’ world of the internet we’d all be out of a job!

You sound like you know what you’re doing and long may you succeed at doing it. For that kind of service, one expects to pay. Simple.

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#281004

I HATE HATE HATE SEO and anything to do with it!!!

It’s the most painstaking, tedious, tiresome, boring, and irritating part of web development there is.

AND….. it will take weeks before you know if what you are doing actually has any effect.

Then you make a slight (but highly recommended of course) change and you disappear off the rankings and have to start all over again.

I HATE IT!!

I have these two Joomla sites. One appears in top 5 google ranking for about 30 of our most important phrases, No1 for most, and the other I can’t get in the top 200 rankings. I’ve never spent any time on SEO’ing the one with the good rank and spent about 100 hours on the other.

I think half of it is pot luck.

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#281032

scotty i feel your pain

pm me a link to the one your having issues with and I will take a quick look and see if their is anything that you are being penalized for.

i also hate that it takes so long to get results

and the part i really have difficulty with with clients over, is they think you just set it once and then you can walk away and never do anything again. SEO is ongoing and never stops, cause no sooner you get the rank you wanted, your competitors have reoptimized and you start losing your rank. SEO has to be done constantly.

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