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#140391

Hi all,

I think the update consequen make me a lot of confusing, hope you could clearly define me how to upgrade my site step by step. At current, my site is:
– Joomla version 1.5.10 (I just update from 1.5.7 few days ago)
– Edinate Template for Joomla 1.5.7
– I have installed some modules and Joomfish plugins

The site already up and running with a lot of information, and I do not want to have any miscare action. That why I ask you a clear instruction how to update the template to the newest version. Do I need to delete all file before doing copy the new quickstart or just overwrite them? Do I need to reinstall all modules, plugins – which is normally take quite a lot of time?

Do you have any patch so I just do the simple job is copy and paste the template files?

Thanks for any help!

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#301836

thanhlp.

The first thing to understand is that your site has thtee major components:

1. The Joomla CMS
2. The Joomlart template (Edenite)
3. The extensions you installed from third parties (lumped together here but must be treated individuallly)

If you have already upgraded to Joomla 1.5.10, and it is working, technically there is no need to upgrade the other components.

Joomla upgrades from Joomla 1.5.6 were essentially security upgrades. In a sense, the bulk of the scripts were essentially untouched. That is why the template and the other extensions need not be upgraded — after all, they are still working.

The best analogy that I could give you is the operating system for computers. If you are a PC user, about two years ago, Microsoft came up with Windows Vista. Do you really need to upgrade to Vista, if you already have a working Windows XT (or whatever previous version you have?

As it turned out, many PC owners, especially major corporations decided not to upgrade to Vista, partly because of the bad reports that were later on uncovered, but as important, they also considered the amount of IT personnel time that must be devoted to perform the upgrades and retooling as well as troubleshooting.

In your case, as you already pointed out, the question that you should ask is this: Are you willing to risk messing up your site just to get the latest version of Edenite?

If your answer is NO, your site will work as it is now. If you are satisfied with it, there is no reason to upgrade the template component.

The key is that you have upgraded the Joomla CMS, to deal with the security issue.

In fact, the Edenite might not have undergone any upgrade, at all. You can get the answer to that from the changelog. So, all your worries would be. If you download the latest Joomla 1.5.10-Edenite, look at the changelog to give you a guide whether you should upgrade the template itself.

There is a need to upgrade the template only if there are “fatal” errors or bugs that affect the functioning of the template. If you have been following the Edenite forum, you should have an idea if there were such discussions of bugs and malfunctioning components of the Joomlart Edenite template.

Cornelio

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#301837

thanhlp,

The idea of a patch to upgrade the template, I have propsoed last year; but for some reason, it is a proposal that Hung shut down before considering how much it would help them save time and money (especially from increase request for technical support from botched upgrades), as well as save the customers a lot of time.

In the case of Teline II, when Joomlart opted not to provide the patches to upgrade, what I did for the most part is to study the forum threads that discussed the changes I wanted were explained. I then performed the script changes for the specific files themselves — essentially creating my own file patches.

I upgraded the Teline II template component using the same Joomla upgrade procedure — just upload and write over the old one to replace them.

If Joomlart provides patches, the upgrade of the template would be as easy as upgrading the Joomla CMS. No need to worry about the potential risk and the grate amount of redoing stuff again, if you perform the “uninstall the old and reinstall the new” — because the latter radical procedure requires that you have to start all over again, if you have highly customize your template.

Other extensions. The upgrade of other extensions from third parties that you use are upgraded indepently from each other or from the template or the Joomla CMS. Usually, these extensions are much much simpler than the template, so the usual “uninstall the old-install the new” is the standard mode of upgrading.

Sandbox. Just to play safe, it would be prudent to try any upgrade using a miirror site of your actual webpage, to ensure that any upgrade you perform will not have fatal consequences.

Moreover, as an added fail-safe precaution be sure to make a copy of your database, as well as the files that you customized.

Cornelio

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#301838

Thanks for your reply and explaination. The reason I have to upgrade is requirement from Joomfish plugin, they require Joomla 1.5.10. But after I upgrade Joomla to 1.5.10 I feel I have some strange behaviour in the left menu of template – it not expand when I click to root menu. Plus to that I see HungDinh announce that the new version of template work fine with IE.
But if you say Edenite do not have any real upgrade so I just left problem as it is and wait for a real solution for that.

Thanks.

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#301839

Just see your second part of your post. I also wish JA have such kind of patch, which we could easily upload and overwrite quickly.
If I have to reinstall from scratch … well I have to think twice 🙂 that is too risky!.

I think quick start is very good for new customer, and a patch is very important for old customers!

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#301840

thanhlp,

<em>@thanhlp 125010 wrote:</em><blockquote>Thanks for your reply and explaination. The reason I have to upgrade is requirement from Joomfish plugin, they require Joomla 1.5.10. But after I upgrade Joomla to 1.5.10 I feel I have some strange behaviour in the left menu of template – it not expand when I click to root menu.
.</blockquote>

It is difficult to say what caused the problem here, you have to show your live site so that others may take a look at it. I am not sure how different Edenite is. I have upgraded older versions of Teline II, all the way from Joomla v1.5.4 – Teline II v1.3 with the latest version of patch to upgrade to Joomla 1.5.10, and did not find any trouble.

It is upgrading the Teline II template component that caused me trouble, for reasons to long to explain here. The bottom line, the latest version of Teline II is different from the previous version in 2008 — a patch upgrade (that worked all the way up to the version last year) caused incompatibilities.

For my older sites, I decided therefore to just upgrade the Joomla CMS to Joomla 1.5.10. And, used the latest version only if I install a new site.

<em>@thanhlp 125010 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Plus to that I see HungDinh announce that the new version of template work fine with IE.
.</blockquote>
Usually, the impact of Internet Explorer — the cause of trouble for most websites — is an added script, placed inside the

<head></head>

Others have encountered the impact of IE, and usually it would require defining the dimentions of an image, etc. — good practice actually.

<em>@thanhlp 125010 wrote:</em><blockquote>
But if you say Edenite do not have any real upgrade so I just left problem as it is and wait for a real solution for that.

Thanks.</blockquote>

I might not have explained my conditional statement properly. I did not say the Edenite did not undergo an upgrade on its own. It might not…. is the operative phrase.

You need to download the latest and exameine the changelog to answer whether there was indeed a very critical change in the script of the Edenite. I cannot answer that myself.

And, the more important consideration, based on the MS Vista and XT analogy — after you understood what the upgrade of the template was, if any, do you want to upgrade or be content with what you have? Each choice has its pros and cons.

Cornelio

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#301841

thanhlp,

<em>@thanhlp 125011 wrote:</em><blockquote>Just see your second part of your post. I also wish JA have such kind of patch, which we could easily upload and overwrite quickly.
If I have to reinstall from scratch … well I have to think twice 🙂 that is too risky!.
!</blockquote>

Well, Phil has re-introduced the issue of a Patch upgrade again, so I supported it. Perhaps, Hung willl listen if there are more members who support it.

<em>@thanhlp 125011 wrote:</em><blockquote>
I think quick start is very good for new customer, and a patch is very important for old customers!</blockquote>

You might mean: The QuickStart is good for new installations and the patch is best for upgrades.

Transitioning. Actually, a safe way of doing an upgrade is to install the latest version Joomla 1.5.10-Edenite QuickStart kit then rename it, as you want so that it becomes a separate directory (not in root)

yoursite.com/newdir/

create a new database, etc., and perform a Quick install.

As a result, you will have two sites — your existing in the root and the new one. You can copy the contents and place them in the new ones — using one of those tools to copy and paste files from one Joomla site to another.

Once you have a completed the new site, then you can exchange the two — place the old one into a separate directory before you place the new one into the root.

Be sure you change the configuration.php to reflect the change in the route path, etc., otherwise they will not work. Be very careful about this because if the configuration.php is not properly edited you can accidentally overwrite the database of the other.

Cornelio

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#301982

Yes, that is what I mean, if JA could provide both, that is great.

I also agree with you about the transitioning, that is some how with the idea about test on a mirror server. Both way cost time and not for beginner like me. Specially when you installed some or a lot plugin, modules… beside JA template.

What I did is just copy the patch from Joomla to upgrade from 1.5.7 to 1.5.10, everything work fine since now, may be this is the quickest way to upgrade? Just remember make a copy of folder for backup and rename back when the system run out of stable.

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#302022

HI thanhlp,

<em>@thanhlp 125189 wrote:</em><blockquote>Yes, that is what I mean, if JA could provide both, that is great.</blockquote>

I am trying to iniitate a site to serve as a resource site for website creators, mainly created by website creators — sort of sharing their experiences, including issues encountered, such as the ones we are discussing in this thread — helping each other, what template companies should provide, tutorials, etc..

But, one of the envisioned role of asuch a site is to serve as consumer report for the common “website creators”, like us.

Individually, as I have tried here in Joomlart last year, it is difficult to persuade template companies to provide stuff like patches for upgrades. I did the same thing

But imagine if the average website creators band together and the become a “consumer force” (1,000, or 10,000, etc.?), it is more easy to use that Power of Number to persuade companies, like Joomlart to provide such services.

If they don’t , in case there are enough among the members who are skiiled in scripting, to help create such patches that will then be shared among the members of the Collaborative Support Group who have license to a template. An alternative, it is even possible to hire a very good programmer for more difficult task. Of course, there must be some monetary incentives to entice others to do the work, but again, if there are enough users, say a 100 members for a template, whatever the cost of the service, e.g., $100-$500, it will amount to just $1-$5 (for the example), or even much cheaper if there are more users.

I personally would not mind paying such extra cost, especially if the upgrade patch or some other feature needed was well tested, and came with tutorials. It beats destroying months and later on years of work, plus the anxiety that you might cause fatal damage to your site.

<em>@thanhlp 125189 wrote:</em><blockquote>
I also agree with you about the transitioning, that is some how with the idea about test on a mirror server. Both way cost time and not for beginner like me. Specially when you installed some or a lot plugin, modules… beside JA template.</blockquote>

Actually, it is easier than you imagine, especially because you know how to install the QuickStart already.

All you have to do is create a subdirectory. Upload the unpack QuickStart kit, rename it to the subdirectory you want, e.g., sandbox

http://sitename.com/sandbox/

create a separate database, (you may use the same username, password and FTP email address and corresponding password) and do a quickstart install.

[Be careful when you have them in the same domain (it is better to have a subdomain) if you are allowed to do so.]

What you can do is try anything new (e.g., new extension, upgrade, etc.) in the Sandbox site first, and if it works, then it is more safe to include it in your main site.

<em>@thanhlp 125189 wrote:</em><blockquote>
What I did is just copy the patch from Joomla to upgrade from 1.5.7 to 1.5.10, everything work fine since now, may be this is the quickest way to upgrade? Just remember make a copy of folder for backup and rename back when the system run out of stable.</blockquote>

What you did was upgrade the Joomla component. only — but not the template or the extensions. Provided you are happy with the outcome that is all that matters right now. This is usually the case when only a security update was involved.

There were times last year when the Joomla 1.5.x upgrade dealt with the revision of scripts and caused incompatibilities with some extensions. When that happens, you might have to make difficult choices.

Cornelio

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