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#139344

I think it makes a lot more sense to create at least one global thread to track bugs you need to be fixed after you tested your sites or even the demo sites here with IE8 Stable.

So, especially when there may be separate threads all over the place soon, in various template forums, I think it makes sense for those who can fix those, if JA or members, to have this global Bug-Tracker where you can post an url to the thread or post you posted the complete bug description for specific templates.

This way we should not lose the overview of new bugs and solved bugs for all members to easily access via one thread, as here you can post bug short description and link and later, when solved, edit your post to solved for others to get quick bug fixes.

Thanks!

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#296903

I just wanted to throw-up after seeing all of our sites in IE8… this is going to be a massive over haul for us. :((

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#296904

<em>@jwellman 118920 wrote:</em><blockquote>I just wanted to throw-up after seeing all of our sites in IE8… this is going to be a massive over haul for us. :((</blockquote>

So you literally don’t know where to start and what to report first, this is where I see a problem, for any of the users of JA Templates and even more for those who are developers and will have to explain a lot to clients.

The issue is, this is not a backwards compatibility thing like with IE6 but IE8 will spread very fast among end-users and so this massive over-haul will happen to a large portion of the internet business, excpetions as usual the major sites who were participating in the program to make sites compatible.

Personally, I will have one site at all I will have to make IE8 fit and will let this do by specialists, just to avoid all the hassles, but for all those who either have to do it on their own, like when you have too many to let those fix by others even, that JA will assist properly and maybe this thread will help to emphasize the problematic the majority of Joomlart.com members will have with the release of the IE8 stable.

There is no way around to see IE8 compatibility as a priority, you can imagine how many people already downloaded the new browser today alone and to use certain plugins that turn on the compatibility mode will not really help the situation, it may even more put people into harms way, as you know how people are when it comes to such “spyware” in their sight, that automatically turns on certain browser functions without their agreement because the operator of the site had no way to fix all the bugs in his template. Especially in times of short money and recessions, lawsuits about even the smallest issues like such plugins are very likely to become a popular thing, although I hope that when people use those that their users simply over see this and no one will get harmed financially in this case.

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#296906

This is probably going to win an award for dumbest question of the year, but is there a way to install IE8 if I already have IE7 without overwriting it… as a separate browser choice so I can look at what is going on without losing my IE7?

I have a site that is pure HTML not Joomla, was going to take it to Joomla but have been worried. Is there anyone who would be willing to take a peek in IE8 http://www.ussarizona.org. Other than the menu problem on the main page that I am already aware of, wondering if everything else is ok on the main page and maybe peek at an inside page or two?

Thanks

Oh my… and then there is http://www.strawmanoriginals.com that I have been working on for my son using the Galena template, not exactly a new template as it is. Not even finished yet, but the crowd that will be viewing it is a younger crowd and those that use IE are sure to upgrade. I know my son will.

Ah shoot. Why is Microsoft putting out something like this? What is wrong with being compatible with the interent? This must be an attempt to try and force people to buy their Expressions editor or whatever it is called. The Microsoft version of Dreamweaver.

<em>@jwellman 118920 wrote:</em><blockquote>I just wanted to throw-up after seeing all of our sites in IE8… this is going to be a massive over haul for us. :((</blockquote>

I haven’t downloaded IE8. No desire to really unless I absolutely have to, but your post makes me queezy too. Is it really that bad? I sure hope not.

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#296907

<em>@imsleepy 118925 wrote:</em><blockquote>This is probably going to win an award for dumbest question of the year, but is there a way to install IE8 if I already have IE7 without overwriting it… as a separate browser choice so I can look at what is going on without losing my IE7?

I have a site that is pure HTML not Joomla, was going to take it to Joomla but have been worried. Is there anyone who would be willing to take a peek in IE8 http://www.ussarizona.org. Other than the menu problem on the main page that I am already aware of, wondering if everything else is ok on the main page and maybe peek at an inside page or two?

Thanks</blockquote>

Wait a day or two and download a portable version of ie8, those run from a single exe file wich means you dont have to install them. Then you can test with ie8 and keep having ie7 installed on your system.

Just checked and for now there are only portable editions of beta versions of ie8 out. But that will change very soon.

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#296908

Thanks, I will keep my eyes open for that. Where do you go to find it?

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#296909

im quite sure they will post it on here:
http://www.ray.my/firefox/portable-chrome-firefox-31-opera-safari-and-ie8/

they have most browsers, and ie8 beta.

And if not a normal google search will do if you search for portable ie8.

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#296911

I will post this for all again

for those who do not have or want to have IE8 installed, you can use the IETester

it works great
C L I C K — H E R E

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#296929

<em>@imsleepy 118927 wrote:</em><blockquote>I haven’t downloaded IE8. No desire to really unless I absolutely have to, but your post makes me queezy too. Is it really that bad? I sure hope not.</blockquote>We only have a couple templates that are not screwed up. One is the Zinc template that we showcased last week (His Thousand Hills) but that particular template came with an IE8 css file. I didn’t find one single error on that site… surprisingly. Edited to Add: The photo gallery is not working on the Zinc site but that’s not a template issue.

All the older JA templates will have to have fixes, especially with the slide shows.

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#296957

<em>@jwellman 118952 wrote:</em><blockquote>
All the older JA templates will have to have fixes, especially with the slide shows.</blockquote>

I applied a fix incl. css of one updated quickstart to one older JA template and it makes no change, the site is still not working as it should be. But, however, as the template is very customized, this may be the reason for it, so whoever tests if the fixes work out on the older ones should be aware that those may only do their job when you haven’t changed too much already, but a lot of users changed a lot, so here it is about IE8 recovery fixes and I do not know how much JA can or will assist with this at all.

<em>@jwellman 118952 wrote:</em><blockquote>The photo gallery is not working on the Zinc site but that’s not a template issue.
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It is a JA extension, so same as with the templates. I have seen the same error that the slideahow is messed up in IE8, but again, I also made changes, yet only minor changes, changed the border shown to no border shown and some padding and margin number changes, so this should not be the issue, may one think. I hope some real specialist for this will drop by and tell people what already in changes may mess up the site in IE8 and what to do as fix. The problem is I do not like the thought that especially with extensions, those only work error free in IE8 when you make 0% changes at all.

In general, when it is the same as with IE6, then most problems may be that one made short hand code changes and not using the IE compatible full hand ones, e.g. someone changed the code for the background to be fixed this way:

background: url(background.gif) no-repeat top left fixed;

But should have taken the time to apply:

background-image: url(background.gif);
background-position: top left;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-attachment: fixed;

When doing it this way, you avoid that some or more common issues will not come up, although it takes much longer and literally a very minor percentage of developers does it this way, as the template must be created in a hurry and I have seen that backgrounds disappear in IE7 when using the quick short hand version, so can be the same with IE8.

<em>@imsleepy 118925 wrote:</em><blockquote>This is probably going to win an award for dumbest question of the year, but is there a way to install IE8 if I already have IE7 without overwriting it… as a separate browser choice so I can look at what is going on without losing my IE7?</blockquote>

There are some IE Packages out there that allow you to install any IE standalone going down to IE3 I think, any of those as separate installations. But I would say, to get such for IE7 at this early point of time or even for IE8 is much wishful. As from what I see, also all the IE8 downloads that are provided by third parties like computer magazines or online computer download sites, they all contain the installer only, and as soon you start it on your computer it pulls all the data needed from the Microsoft Homepage and you get the same installation as when you install it directly from there. Maybe support the economy and purchase an additional computer to run IE8 on…:cool:

And in general, this is why I mentioned “IE8 will spread very fast”. The regular people who once installed it, will never be able to change to IE7 again. So, no way around to take the problems with IE8 serious, as they won’t change the most popular browser again, so developers have to comply, if they like it or not.

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#297035

<em>@jwellman 118952 wrote:</em><blockquote>We only have a couple templates that are not screwed up. One is the Zinc template that we showcased last week (His Thousand Hills) but that particular template came with an IE8 css file. I didn’t find one single error on that site… surprisingly. Edited to Add: The photo gallery is not working on the Zinc site but that’s not a template issue.

All the older JA templates will have to have fixes, especially with the slide shows.</blockquote>

Personally, I think I will suspend development of the three sites I was working on to see if any fixes come out. I am just too new to Joomla to try and fix things myself. Still trying to figure out how Joomla works… there are so many files!

I sent an email out to everyone in my contact list to NOT install IE8 yet and the fact that most websites will probably have compatibilty issues and it will take time for webmasters to bring their websites compatible with IE8. I also asked that they forward it on to others. I got many thank you’s back from it so I know at least they listened. The fact that it would possibly mess up their viewing of their favorite websites is what they listened too. Most people are tired of websites with issues and they don’t want more issues to slow them down when they are browsing.

I am curious if communities like MySpace, Facebook and some of those that are so popular have issues with IE8 or is this a Joomla thing? I can’t imagine it would just affect one CMS and not most or all of them.

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#297037

<em>@imsleepy 119095 wrote:</em><blockquote>I am curious if communities like MySpace, Facebook and some of those that are so popular have issues with IE8 or is this a Joomla thing? I can’t imagine it would just affect one CMS and not most or all of them.</blockquote>

No, certainly not, they were part of the Microsoft IE8 study, however this one was called and so got direct access to information only a certain percentage of developers got from Microsoft. Sites like those including eBay and other major sites will work as perfect as they run with any other browser (except the issues that always come up when members can generate content, if eBay listing or MySpace profile, when those look horrible in any other browser because the users mess it up, same it will look like in IE8).

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#297039

I was a bit relieved, after viewing Joomlart’s site and all their templates (in IE8) this morning, that the errors are also duplicated on their site. At least now I know that it’s not due to any modifications I’ve made.

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#297040

<em>@wooohanetworks 119097 wrote:</em><blockquote>No, certainly not, they were part of the Microsoft IE8 study, however this one was called and so got direct access to information only a certain percentage of developers got from Microsoft. Sites like those including eBay and other major sites will work as perfect as they run with any other browser (except the issues that always come up when members can generate content, if eBay listing or MySpace profile, when those look horrible in any other browser because the users mess it up, same it will look like in IE8).</blockquote>

From what jwellman said, the newer templates apparently have fixes in place. If one were to hunt down those fixes and apply them to the older templates will that work?

In the meantime, wouldn’t everyone actually have access to the information concerning IE8 when the first alpha tests were done? I know in the past, I was able to participate in beta testing for IE5. Of course, that was eons ago, maybe they do things differently now. I would think JA as a “major developer” would have been able to get initial info from release candidates as they came out since they obviously had this info when creating the new templates. Since they were able to make new templates that have fixes in place, I am confident there will be fixes for the older templates in no time. Or am I dreaming?

<em>@jwellman 119099 wrote:</em><blockquote>I was a bit relieved, after viewing Joomlart’s site and all their templates (in IE8) this morning, that the errors are also duplicated on their site. At least now I know that it’s not due to any modifications I’ve made.</blockquote>

I would be relieved too! 😀

But will the clients you have understand that it is IE8 and not something you did or didn’t do? I can’t even imagine how your phone will be ringing off the hook once IE8 starts spreading. I know mine would be. If IE8 affects my HTML sites, I WILL be getting phone calls. I guess I may have to “nip it in the bud” so to speak and send out an email notice to all of my clients explaining the problem and how I am “aware of the situation and currently working to develop the necessary fixes and have them in place as quickly as possible.”

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#297042

l do use IE8 since yesterday and looks good, better security l think, Ja Cooper Business dont work by the way

Place the following HTML META tag into the head element of each Web page (before tags other than TITLE or META) and should be fine

<meta http-equiv=”X-UA-Compatible” content=”IE=7″ />

This will tell Windows Internet Explorer 8 to render each page as Windows Internet Explorer 7 would, fixing your Web site

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