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Hello,

I read in the Joomla site that they are tentatively coming out with Joomla 1.6 on 11 January 2011. That is only a week away.

From previous postings by Joomla, I heard that Joomla 1.6 is not exactly compatible with Joomla 1.5. That is, it is not a simple case of converting “old Joomla 1.5” sites to Joomla 1.6 in order to upgrade. That it might be faster to rebuild old Joomla 1.5, altogether.

I already have sites based on Joomla 1.5 and will keep them as such. However, at this stage, I am not sure of the prudence of creating new sites or rebuilding old sites using newer Joomlart templates based on Joomla 1.5 as of January 2011 considering Joomla 1.6 is just a week away.

A case in point is the Joomlart Teline template series, the main reason I joined Joomlart in 2007. From my experience and other members I have come to know using the same template, it took at least three months before each of the Teline templates matured or decent enough to be rid of many bugs.

To date, even the Teline II, even after more than two years, remain to have key issues that needed to be addressed but remain unresolved. That is my biggest disappointment with Joomlart.

I have not tried Teline IV yet, but I downloaded it just today to check how fast it would load. To be frank, there seems to be a growing bloat in the Teline templates so that the speed of loading seems to have slowed significantly from Telline 1 to Teline II and even more so with Teline III. Thus, as much as I like the many good features of Teline III, its sluggishness and all the issues raised by us members (with no decent resolution) forced me to abandon Teline III and reluctantly reverted back all sites to Teline II.

I hope the problems encountered (and submitted in the Forums) have been addressed in Teline IV. As far as I am concerned, speed matters and trumps everything else, especially if the added whistles and bells makes the template move like a Titanic.

Speed is the focus of such sites like Google’s search, and very successful sites like Craigslist. The Craigslist sites may be viewed by many as one of the “ugliest” websote templates but it is one of the most successful, profitable and most visited sites in the world, despite its ugliness because it is fast and it provides great service.

Content matters not the whistles and bells is the message of Craigslist sites.

Of course, I came to Joomlart hoping that I could also have nice templates. However, nice should not forget that speed and ease of use (from the perspective of the visitor and the website creators) must never be compromised — too much.

To relate this to Joomla 1.6, I hope it did not become bloated also. But one of the reasons I have been interested with Joomla 1.6 is that it addressed the permissions issue — a feature that I consider very important but has been ignored in both Joomla 1.0 and 1.5

Joomla 1.6 has been announced in January 2010, if my memory serves me. There have been many revisions since then, and I hope Joomlart have at least followed the developments and is ready to roll out Joomla 1.6 versions of its most popular Joomlart templates. And I hope one of those templates would be the Teline II templates. And, of course Teline IV.

I have to wait and see if the Teline IV addressed many of the issues that I and other members raised about Teline III. Otherwise, I would stick with Teline II.

As a website creator, using Joomla and Joomlart, I hope the Joomlart staff would focus more, at least for the next few months, in creating their most solid templates to Joomla 1.6 versions.

As much as I like the aesthetic design of Joomlart, especially the elegant designs of the Teline series for newsmagazine, I may even give up on Joomla altogether if the Joomla-Joomlart combination continues to become bloated as they evolve.

This trend reminds me of the lack of success of the Windows OS in mobile systems because of Microsoft’s insistence to use is bloated OS even for mobile devices.

Cornelio

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Hi Cornelio,

If you look at the downloads section for the JAEC you will see that some extensions already have J1.6 versions. JA have also been working hard to be ready template wise for J1.6 and want to have a big prescence for the launch of the first stable release of J1.6.

While Joomla.org does say that 1.6.0 will be available on the 11th of Jan it could slip and if any security issues are found, hopefully not, then it could slip or even another RC. Please do not hedge your bets on the 11th, just hope.

Me? I will wait a few months at least for templates and Joomla to settle down before upgrading.

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<em>@phill luckhurst 212754 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hi Cornelio,

If you look at the downloads section for the JAEC you will see that some extensions already have J1.6 versions. JA have also been working hard to be ready template wise for J1.6 and want to have a big prescence for the launch of the first stable release of J1.6.

While Joomla.org does say that 1.6.0 will be available on the 11th of Jan it could slip and if any security issues are found, hopefully not, then it could slip or even another RC. Please do not hedge your bets on the 11th, just hope.

Me? I will wait a few months at least for templates and Joomla to
settle down before upgrading.</blockquote>

Thanks Phil,

As I stated in the previous post, I plan to keep the old Joomls 1.5-JA sites. as they are. But, to get a headstart and learn by trial and error, I hope to try a Joomla 1.6 with the pertinenet compatible JA template as soon as possible. As you stated, there will be refinement needed.

It is good to be reassured that Joomlart is on top on this. It is supposedly a very significant update addressing some issues that should have been in Joomla 1.0, recognized to be an omission even when Joomla 1.5 was just being released.

This includes the granularity of the permissions, improved security of registration, etc. I have not tried any of the latest versions yet, but it seems that there might be some refinements in the layouting also.

Another company whose staff are actively part of the core group of Joomla claims that some of the features of their extensions will be integrated in Joomla script itself, not simply as a third party extension. The feature would be address some issues associated with the complex relationships between sections-categories and articles linking in multiple categories/sections. if this is accurate, it will make Joomla newsmagazine sites have features that are standard in commercial newsagazine sites.

I understand the possibility of delays on the part of Joomla. It is after all a volunteer open source initiative. If I remember correctly, even after the stable Joomla 1.5 was released, it took several months before some of the stable Joomlart templates have debugged some compatibility issues arising from those encountered by members.

During that time, quite a few of my preferred 3rd party extensions (forums, comments, photogallery, newsmagazine, shoutbox, etc.) did not do anything to modify their extensions until the stable Joomla 1.5 was released.

It became a choice of staying with Joomla 1.0 in order to retain teh use of chosen extensions. Or, jettison the incompatible extensions and just go with a pared down Joomla-Joomlart site.

I chose the latter.

As it turned out did not have their extensions ready for Joomla 1.5; some took 6 months or close to a year before they released Joomla 1.5 compatible extensions.

Cornelio

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