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  • xyzb Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 6:07 pm #478781

    This release confirms my decision NOT to renew my developer membership – ouch!

    Hung Dinh Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 7:00 pm #478787

    <em>@xyzb 353908 wrote:</em><blockquote>This release confirms my decision NOT to renew my developer membership – ouch!</blockquote>

    It’s sad to hear about your decision, but that is why we believe the yearly subscription works: Members can have a wide range of choice among the 12 releases every year + released templates.

    As the webdesign trend becomes both more evolved and more transformed, we need to provide more specific options to reach out to more demand.

    I just wanted to have the old days back, the most popular request are: 3 columns design and a fluid page layout :laugh::laugh:

    splico123 Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 7:04 pm #478788

    With all respect to you Hung Dinh, this months template is total waste, it is speaking a language of JA Junior Development team and not Senior Members who are always pushing the edge of the Joomla Templates.

    Its really not even worth mentioning it, and its useless as any other template you can find at templatemonster which is if you ask me the worst designer gathering on the net.

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    1. Hung Dinh
    Hung Dinh Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 7:26 pm #478793

    <em>@splico123 353921 wrote:</em><blockquote>With all respect to you Hung Dinh, this months template is total waste, it is speaking a language of JA Junior Development team and not Senior Members who are always pushing the edge of the Joomla Templates.

    Its really not even worth mentioning it, and its useless as any other template you can find at templatemonster which is if you ask me the worst designer gathering on the net.</blockquote>

    Can you be more specified?
    Is that because it is an One page design or because the design of the OnePage?

    Please take a note that we want to make this onepage so simple stupid (KISS) that anyone without any coding/design skill can build and get their site up and running within 2-3 days.

    We even have an idea to make a plugin where user can inline “click and edit” content at the frontend.

    xyzb Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 7:29 pm #478794

    Sorry Hung, but the latest designs are not very inspiring and haven’t been for several years. Yoothemes, Gavick ,Rockettheme and Themeforest are providing a nice variety of product. I have been a member since 2006 but I will be looking at your competitors for my clients needs for now. I think you should dedicate more staff time to design and what “your” clients needs are. Why don’t you ask us what we would like to see?

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    1. dieudonne
    splico123 Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 8:03 pm #478803

    <em>@xyzb 353929 wrote:</em><blockquote>Sorry Hung, but the latest designs are not very inspiring and haven’t been for several years. Yoothemes, Gavick ,Rockettheme and Themeforest are providing a nice variety of product. I have been a member since 2006 but I will be looking at your competitors for my clients needs for now. I think you should dedicate more staff time to design and what “your” clients needs are. Why don’t you ask us what we would like to see?</blockquote>

    Agree with this post, plus few more from my staff at my company:

    Designs are less and less Real World Functional or useful is one of them, other one which i agree the most with was the one of my clients who said that JA templates after Teline IV started to just tap in one spot and dont provide anything revolutionary anymore.

    Your best try was NEX template which is at best decent.

    People want simple templates, thats true, but simple dont mean SIMPLE AT PRESENTATION, what people want is BACKEND simplicity which you can check out with gavick as said in post above. SLIDERS, inputs, choices, visual presentation in the backend is the need for the backend but what you need for frontend is CSS optimized, responsive, complex template as teline/next or any of those multiple module positions with tons of module variations for people to choose in backend.

    Right now what you have is the template with 5 at best module variations, with nothing to really use them for except showcase something, which only about 0.000000001 percent of internet users do.

    Think about this, and FIRE those designers who are useless and get with the program, we pay good money and at least in return we should get something to make us look smart with putting money in JA and nothing else, because AT THIS MOMENT ITS OTHER WAY AROUND.

    Just look at something that is really said somewhere else here, this is magazine usefull design, new, fresh, colorfull, with tons of different styles http://www.theverge.com/

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    1. Hung Dinh
    Hung Dinh Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 9:03 pm #478807

    Glad to see more and more feedback are coming in…

    Let me bring back an interesting history of this Onepage design inspiration

    About 3 months ago, I decided to help Joomla! Marketing Team with the landing page of the Joomla 3 http://joomla.org/3/
    It was a very urgent project and what they wanted is improve the design + have multi language features for the site within 2,3 days. And we did it!! It took us 1 day to re-align the content, provide new revision of design, the next day we just worked on the multi language contribution feature.

    During the 2 days working on the project, I found out that if we can define a good framework for an 1-page solution, we can have unlimited design option, ranging from 1 landing page like Joomla 3 to a personal CV, team portfolio, a simple company introduction. We also end up restructuring the whole CSS/HTML markup and content arrangement.

    After the project, I decided that we ll turn that idea into a monthly release, starting with a solid, simple concept as a base skeleton with following requirements

    1. It should be a pure Onepage solution, there wont be any external link, all clickable links must be either going to other part of the page or opening of an extra popup within the page. If there is an option (link) to allow visitor go to a second page, it will break the rules of one page design, webmaster will have to end up creating a new design for that second page

    2. The one page can support any kind of block content: a welcome message, a team highlight, a listing of project, a contact form, a testimonials section, an quick intro on a service,

    3. It must has a sticky navigation: with 1 page design, users should have at least 5-7 or even 20-30 content sections, in term of UX sticky menu allow visitor to quickly navigate to the sections they want to read.

    4. Because of 2 and 3, it must have a smart horizontal grid layout where all kind of content block in 2 are not oversized

    5. This is the interesting part: The design must be ready for unlimited design option like the greatest-of-all-time CSS ZEND GARDEN project (http://www.csszengarden.com)
    This will open an endless possibility of customization as well as UNIQUE designs to people with artist skill or have a designer on the project. Is this something special comparing to all current Joomla templates out there?

    Splicio123, It may look simple at its presentation, JA Onepage design is not a simple presentation at all! Another reason why I took this quote “Simplicity Isn’t Simple” – Francisco Inchauste as a slogan for this template.

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    1. Arvind Chauhan
    2. Manos
    Hung Dinh Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 9:19 pm #478809

    Just in case you miss the Unlimited design features (please remember that this feature is different from unlimited color variations you often heard from xxx, yyyy 🙂

    http://joomla25-templates.joomlart.com/ja_onepage – the last menu item allow you to switch to some available design

    If you want to see it clearer, you can check the demo of WordPress solution at our network site: http://demo.designwall.com/#DW-Page

    splico123 Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 9:37 pm #478815

    <em>@Hung Dinh 353948 wrote:</em><blockquote>Just in case you miss the Unlimited design features (please remember that this feature is different from unlimited color variations you often heard from xxx, yyyy 🙂

    http://joomla25-templates.joomlart.com/ja_onepage – the last menu item allow you to switch to some available design

    If you want to see it clearer, you can check the demo of WordPress solution at our network site: http://demo.designwall.com/#DW-Page</blockquote>

    All that is fine, but i tell you, we work with designers in Magazines, Car dealerships, Car Manufacturers, and last but not the least designers in major Architecture companies and all commented on this, ONE PAGE DESIGN is for little BABIES, not usefull, not practical, not in any way apealing to any of high end marketing people who want to maximize profit from their presentations online.

    First of all, ONE PAGE design is A NO NO, coming from all major programmers at Google, Bing and former Yahoo, which we are constantly in touch with due to seo concerns, they think of it as CHEATING the CONTENT.

    so whoever tells you different they either have no clue, or are so much in the past that they lost touch with current SEO practices as well as current algorithms that are used with Search engines.

    I for one found it a total mistake on one project and have gotten written response to one page design to be fault of few seo guidelines as well as some other stuff too.

    Another point i wanted to make with one page designs HUGE fault and also that makes it your and whoever else agrees on it:

    UNLESS YOU LIVE in 2000 most of people have monitors that have resolutions higher than one page solution part so, unless you can hide so called sub-pages it looks absolutely like my 2 YEAR old daughter put it together on big screen, it might look ok on 13 inch laptop but on 24inch it looks just ridiculous and not even worth commenting.

    ON TOP OF THAT COLORS, are you kidding me? retro? it is not that its not useless but its appalling. JA is more than this, JA to me was cutting edge of Template design, but this???????

    Come on Hung you of all people know what I say is totally truth, and i dont BS around bush, its just wrong policy of your company if you are going to keep up one page design, its not worth it.

    You know what i would use it, for intern site for my daughter to play with when she plays with Legos. “dear put 1 picture there, 6 words here, choose 2 random colors here and viola YOU HAVE WEBSITE…”

    this is truth and most users here will agree with me, its giving JA bad name, mediocre at best since to make this you don’t have to use framework at all, there are one page designs there pure HTML and even-more there are so many bad ones out there that are just at pair with this one.

    SO my appeal to you is to stop your team, check their ideas and if they dont provide you with good ones, there is always new ones out there. Not gonna teach you your job but put it at perspective what you guys provided us in last 6 months and tell me one lets call it groundbreaking template??? you cant, its just copy and paste of every other company out there, with few of them now kinda 2 steps ahead of JA, which i am sorry for tbh.

    I want you to get up to TOP again and that’s why i am being so HARSH.

    austenn01 Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 9:41 pm #478817

    If we want to use this template as a normal multipage site, can we? OR are we limited to a one-page design?

    I agree with the comments above about JoomlArt to a degree….In my opinion, JoomlArt seems to care more about the underlying code (that your typical Joomla user doesnt know much about), but the designs have gotten stale. For example, look at the ‘Typography’ of Gavick and compare it to JoomlArt basic plain boring basic bootstrap options…..I use Gavick a lot because of their Typography and module options…….If you want to talk about creating a website quickly, having good typography and many module variations is one key aspect.

    Now back to OnePage…..I personally felt JoomlArt had finally turned the corner on design and providing a nice framework to easily build ANYTHING ontop of with OnePage, until i read that it was a One Page design…..

    Its very hard to put into words why the design and layout is great for any design, i guess its cause you are not limited by a bordered site, its easy to customize each horizontal sections look COMPLETELY (which is the style right now)….Take a look.

    My personally preference here……If we could take the designs, typography, module variations of Gavick, and put it into JoomlArts JAT3 with JoomlArts stability…..this is what I want!….I hate how Gavick use Joomla 3, but choose to use their own coding for Bootstrap columns etc…….Its great that JoomlArt kept this.

    One last comment I will make….the more we all grow as programmers/artists etc, the more we ‘distance’ ourselves from the average Joomla user, and this makes it very hard for anyone (especially JoomlArt) to understand what a typical Joomla user wants/needs. I personally find myself falling into this trap more and more lately, and I have to keep reminding myself….I will say that, every advanced programmer I have worked with, NON of them are able to grasp the concept of programming for the basic user.

    Anyway, I hope this is useful info….

    splico123 Friend
    January 7, 2013 at 9:52 pm #478820

    <em>@austenn01 353957 wrote:</em><blockquote>Its very hard to put into words why the design and layout is great for any design, i guess its cause you are not limited by a bordered site, its easy to customize each horizontal sections look COMPLETELY (which is the style right now)….Take a look.

    My personally preference here……If we could take the designs, typography, module variations of Gavick, and put it into JoomlArts JAT3 with JoomlArts stability…..this is what I want!….I hate how Gavick use Joomla 3, but choose to use their own coding for Bootstrap columns etc…….Its great that JoomlArt kept this.

    One last comment I will make….the more we all grow as programmers/artists etc, the more we ‘distance’ ourselves from the average Joomla user, and this makes it very hard for anyone (especially JoomlArt) to understand what a typical Joomla user wants/needs. I personally find myself falling into this trap more and more lately, and I have to keep reminding myself….I will say that, every advanced programmer I have worked with, NON of them are able to grasp the concept of programming for the basic user.

    Anyway, I hope this is useful info….</blockquote>

    THis i agree with completely, especially last part you wrote about programmers, thats why you need people like me LOL, who work between those two, and with enough knowledge of programming to know when programmer is just talking BS or talking real stuff. And thats why i got heated up with all this because I KNOW JOOMLART CAN DO MUCH BETTER.

    bule Friend
    January 10, 2013 at 10:09 pm #479317

    Hi,

    I just came round looking to see if the Jan template was out yet and found this thread… interesting read.
    So…
    I have to say I agree with much of what splico123 says up there
    And also agree the last 6 months templates have been very uninspiring.
    They got so ‘boring’ I let my sub lapse a few months ago.
    @hungdinh personally I love KISS, and I thank you for sharing the interesting history and super concept to the OnePage idea – its great… But can I sell a website based on it – I doubt it. Give me something with bells and whistles next time please!

    However, looking on the bright side I renewed my sub for $low thanks to the ‘humble bundle’ deal, so I suppose (at least in my case) I’m getting get what I paid for… not much lol!
    Not what I expected tho and <blockquote> I KNOW JOOMLART CAN DO MUCH BETTER</blockquote>

    Best Regards

    Hung Dinh Friend
    January 15, 2013 at 8:10 am #479796

    <em>@bule 354590 wrote:</em><blockquote>
    @hungdinh personally I love KISS, and I thank you for sharing the interesting history and super concept to the OnePage idea – its great… But can I sell a website based on it – I doubt it. Give me something with bells and whistles next time please!
    </blockquote>

    Only 3 days after 1Page release, I came across this site

    http://www.rmedia.co.za/

    This customer can put his site up and running after less than 2 days. Is it a good explaination why we provide this template.

    Is there anyone here can build a site, from any template, at that speed?

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    1. Blaine
    Blaine Friend
    January 15, 2013 at 12:48 pm #479863

    Yes Hung, me, again using the JA ONE PAGE template!
    Excellent template, many thanks, and perfect for MANY sites needs!

    splico123 Friend
    January 17, 2013 at 7:10 am #480108

    <em>@Blaine 355318 wrote:</em><blockquote>Yes Hung, me, again using the JA ONE PAGE template!
    Excellent template, many thanks, and perfect for MANY sites needs!</blockquote>

    We, the majority of us havent said nobody will use it, the point made was that its mediocre at best, not recommended if you want to have great SEO, not used by anyone except someone who is showcasing one thing only, and we want JA to get back on right track. Which by most of us think: being leading edge of template design, and not just an average JOE among all other template makers.

    As for the site you mentioned, i dunno what i would say at that site, one thing from user experience is that after one or TWO scrolls the most i would move on.

    Endless scrolling just plain is NOT RECOMMENDED, and NOT good PRACTISE in any website, and YOU JOOMLART as theme makers SHOULD KNOW THAT, they teach you that in any school 101 class for user experience on web pages.

    So suprise us, make something we will be proud off, and something that 99 percent of us would love to use and not other way around, dont make something like this which will be used by 1 percent of users and rest will just move on.

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