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Hello,

I am using Joomla 1.5.10, JA Teline II, and components installed are fireboard, sh404sef, and jom-comments.

The URL I am having a problem with is http://www.ovariospoliquisticos.es.

I have re-installed template twice and keep getting the same problem: module misplacement on front page.

For example, modules are floating below News 3.1 and News Front Page, even though they are in position, “Left” and “Right.” In other parts of the website the left/right modules are in their proper place, except for homepage.

I would appreciate someone’s help in this area.

Thanks in advance,
Tammy

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#299813

Hi Tammy,

I commend you for providing some basic information information. Joomla-Joomlart versions, and URL, as well as the extensions.

I am using a very old Internet Explorer (IE 5) for the Mac, and from your URL it looks even worse. You might want to check a browser compatibility test site to find out how the layout actually appears in various major browsers and their versions. However, the Joomlart Forums page and some other pages seem to be OK, so the broken layout that I am viewing right now, both for your Homepage and the other pages.

What browser (and version) are you using that showed your observations? Would you mind providing image captures of what you actually see of the site, Homepage and sample section, category and article pages, from your computer?

How did you install the Joomla 1.5.10 – Teline II v1.6? Is it sequential or did you use the single step QuickStart?

Would you be averse to try installing the QuickStart, as a Sandbox (for your systematic testing). I noticed that you stated JA News 3.1, so I have a hunch that you might have done the sequential installation?

Since you are having a problem, the goal of the QuickStart installation is to see if you have done the installation in the simplest way, you will get exactly as the Demo Page for Joomla 1.5.x-Teline II v1.x

If it is at all possible, for more systematic analysis, you may want to unpublish all the extensions that you added. My suggestion is not to install any of the extensions, or uninstall them , while doing any diagnosis. Better still, install a Sandbox site, as suggested above, and make sure that you can replicate the Demo page. If you cannot replicate it, then that is the start of your problem, together with other problems added, along the way.

In another discussion thread:

*Hot Topic – Sliding dark panel misaligned
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/hot-topic-sliding-dark-panel-misaligned/

hsyong found out to his dismay that there are problems, even with the QuickStart alone, more specifically for the Hot Topic module — even before he did anything. So, as it is, even before any modification, there is already a problem with the latest version — Joomla 1.5.10- Teline II v1.6.

hsyong isolated some of the problems, partly due to bad CSS tags specifications and the other is the perenial problem with Internet Explorer (IE). Whether there might be other problems with the other modules, that is another story. Your observations may be symptomatic of such, but it may also be as a result of the modifications introduced by the user.

Apart from those arising from the Template scripts and components, from my experience, it is possible that one of causes of the problems may be due to some of the images exceeding the maximum width allowed. Note that you have to consider the margins and paddings, as well as the wrappers specifications — in effect the maximum width you can use would be much smaller than the column width — that is true for any of the columns..

The not so good analogy here, to illustrate this, is a balloon being squeeze. If you squeeze in one part, it bulges in another part — this is for a three-dimensional setting. In this two-dimensional layout, this is observed as the jagged layout that I observe in my browser. From what I observed, the right columns going below.

To test this possibility, with your existing site, would be to unpublish or remove all the images that you added. See if it has any effect.

Another possibility would be a case where you changed the width specifications for the JA News modules, i.e., left, right and in between. Or the relationship of the Primary Column and the Columns

There are more possibilities, but as I stated above, unless you have already a well developed site — it does not look from your URL — I usually start anew myself, instead of wasting my time trying to find the root causes of the symptoms you observe.

The best analogy that I could make is a patient who complains about a headache — there are so many possibilities: brain cancer (many kinds), poor eyesight (or eye related diseases), aneurysm about to explode (fatal), blockage of arteries in the brain (it can lead to stroke, and a symptom could also be perenial headache), and more other causes, but I hope you get the picture. It will require a lot of diagnosis and patient history analysis – both very expensive or very time consuming.

Of course, you cannot throw away the person, but you can do that with a site that is still at an early stage — if you wish to save time, lots and lots of it, from trying to find out the problems.

If the doctor and patient have been seeing each other for a long time, then a good doctor, as well as an observant patient will be able to work together to isolate the root causes of the problem. Sometimes, the other problems, like poor eyesight can also be a symptom of the problem, i.e., they compound each other.

To apply this to your situation, I would suggest doing the process systematically — with the extensions added much later. If you have been reading the Forums for example, there is already a thread where Joom Coment was causing some other problems.

Having stated all the above, like hsyong, you might be able to spot rigth away yourself the root cause(s) of the problems.

Good luck.

Cornelio

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#299817

My frontpage suddenly misaligned to, and someone pointed out that this was because i had pasted in text from some outside source such as ex a word document which for some reason misaligned the frontpage. It was something about the divs if i remember or the like.

Anyway when i found the articles with oddly scripted text being pasted in and arranged them — in my case by deleting it and retyping — … frontpage changed back to normal… hope that helps.

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<em>@bookpeg 122445 wrote:</em><blockquote>My frontpage suddenly misaligned to, and someone pointed out that this was because i had pasted in text from some outside source such as ex a word document which for some reason misaligned the frontpage. It was something about the divs if i remember or the like.

Anyway when i found the articles with oddly scripted text being pasted in and arranged them — in my case by deleting it and retyping — … frontpage changed back to normal… hope that helps.</blockquote>

That is very true, bookpeg,

Word documents are formatted, and if you do not copy it properly:

a <div class=”css tag here”> or a <div class=”css tag here”> must always be followed by a closing </div>, if you missed the closing, or you missed the opening component of a CSS tag, it will always break a formatted page.

However, this might not be the reason because Tammy stated that the article page is not messed up. If there is any unclosed div, it will break the layout of any page it would be included.

By the way, in regard another matter you stated above: to get rid of the unwanted formatting in a Word document, all you have to do is paste it in a “simple.txt” pad, found as a default application in many computers. I use blank Page Spinner file. This pasting in a “simple.txt” pad will delete all the html and css tags. Once that is done, all you have to do, is copy the stripped document and paste it into your article page.

Another strategy to get rid of unwanted markups is to go the “html” format to view what would be akin to a Page Soure script of the page — text and CSS tags. Once in that mode, copy the entire “html” format and edit in a Simple text or one of those pads that does not create any more html and css tags.

Delete unwanted divs that way, and ensure that if done properly, the html page source will be free of the unwanted divs (both in the open and backend mode. If done carefully, what remains of the aforementioned document — stripped of unwanted divs — would the page content and layout.

Cornelio

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#299838

Hi Cornelio,
Thanks for your detailed respsonse.
I installed JA Telline II quickstart, and used it for the basis of my site. Before, I tried using the JA Telline Template only, and adding the JA News modules by itself, but it gave me the misalignment issue, too. So, I thought it was me and went with the safest route of using quickstart.

I also installed the sample data so that I know it was not a “copy and paste” issue – so I am unsure what the problem is.

I am using Firefox 3.0.8 (newest version) on Mac OS 10. I don’t have internet explorer. I thought templates were “Cross browser + version” friendly?

If I need to remove template and modules again, I don’t have a problem doing that – but I’ve followed all steps according to template installation + module installation, and for the second installation installed quickstart as I was supposed to.

It was looking all fine until my client did a test run and added a new article, and it messed the whole layout on my end – however; even before posting that article he said he could not see it very well on 3 computers 1 Mac and 2 PCs.

I will try and attach some photos – would appreciate your continue help.

Thanks to all for responding.

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#299841

formating …. what do you think cgc0202

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#299919

Hi Cornelio,
I posted more information about the site in this forum – I’ve reinstalled twice. What can be the problem? Formatting, as bookpeg suggests?
Thanks,
Tammy

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<em>@bookpeg 122470 wrote:</em><blockquote>formating …. what do you think cgc0202</blockquote>
Thanks bookpeg, for trying to help me out – do you have any other ideas?

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#299925

try to align for all articles the article text with justify format. Use only tyne jce editor is there some issue fomat text with other editor

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#299927

Someone can help me to change something in ja news module?
please see picture
How parmeters i can change for readmore button

thx for reply

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<em>@ikegius 122572 wrote:</em><blockquote>Someone can help me to change something in ja news module?
please see picture
How parmeters i can change for readmore button

thx for reply</blockquote>

Hi ikegius,

I looked at the attached images you provided.

I outlined a general procedure and some examples on how to resolve questions regarding layout and CSS tags and files. Your question falls along this general procedure. Please take the time to read:

All you ever wanted to know to change the layout, image and text specifications
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/all-you-ever-wanted-to-know-to-change-the-layout-image-and-text-specifications/

and the examples given in that thread. The examples are not exactly as your question, but if you follow how each example is resolved, and try to apply the same procedure to your question, then you might be able to resolve it.

I would suggest creating a new thread for your question — if you do not feel like following the general procedure above. There are quite a few members here who might be willing to nwer your questions more promptly.

Good luck.

Cornelio

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<em>@bookpeg 122470 wrote:</em><blockquote>formating …. what do you think cgc0202</blockquote>

Hi bookpeg and joomlancing,

The information provided (by joomlancing in the second response) seem to indicate that the customer might have committed the same error that you described in your original post.

By the way, I hope no one gets the idea that I am an expert, that can actually solve this. The problems here might requires the “hot shots” here like Menalto, Hainn, JA Developer, Scotty, Phil, jsliao and a few others. I have ask quite a few questions here myself — some more difficult others more easy, and the names I mentioned were the ones who solved them.

Chris (questbg) is one of those who encountered some of the problems that you showed and may give some light into the matter, also. The earlier post of bookpeg shared in the first response is one possible cause that could break the layout.

You will see their names among those

You might want to send them a PM.

joomlancing,

Your images were so small, I cannot discern the “features” of the specific positions. More important, I asked specific questions but I did not get a clear sequence of events, who did what and if ever you actually got as the Demo layout itself — for the Front Page, and specific sections and articles.

It was my own mistake, I should have asked one question per response, and you must provide exact answers. Please note that what you observed and what your client observed and done are completely different.

If your client committed the same mistake as bookpeg outlined above then the client must be taught the rudimentaries of html. Or, at least what to do and not do, to avoid problems that breaks a page layout.

One of those things to know and the dos and don’ts to avoid them are discussed both in the response of bookpeg and my response to bookpeg’s post above.

You do not have to answer this, I will ask one specific question per post below. Please quote each and provide the answer to the quoted item. Otherwise, the root causes might never be identified.

As I stated before, the actual problem might be caused by a simple mistake. But, that becomes apparent only when the issue has been resolved.

Finally, if you have not done so already, please be sure to read this post (and the responses):

*Hot Topic – Sliding dark panel misaligned
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/hot-topic-sliding-dark-panel-misaligned/

I linked earlier. Your problem may not be Hot Topic, but if you read it thoroughly, you would know the answer to one of your questions:

“I am using Firefox 3.0.8 (newest version) on Mac OS 10. I don’t have internet explorer. I thought templates were “Cross browser + version” friendly?”

What is the answer? *grins*

Follow up question: How would you respond to your client when (s)he stated:

“[It was looking all fine until my client did a test run and added a new article, and it messed the whole layout on my end – however; even before posting that article…
(more particularly)
he said he could not see it very well on 3 computers 1 Mac and 2 PCs.”

What would you need to ask the client to clarify this further and get to the bottom of the problem?

Keep them in mind. I will ask them individually below.

Cornelio

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#299965

Please do a fresh QuickStart install of Joomla 1.5.10-Teline II v1.6 from a fresh download:

[Please do not use whatever you used in previous installation. Some files may be corrupted from what is called “random fidelity errors caused during download, unpacking, upload and transmission”

Please write down every step of what you have done (in case something happens in this step. For example:

Download, unpack and upload:

Download Joomla 1.5.10-Teline II v1.6 (note provide exact name of what was downloaded, and use the zip file)
Unpack (=> provide name of unpacked directory)
Go to Quickstart directory
(=> provide name of the zip file here)
Unpack QuickStart zip (=> provide name of unpacked QuickStart directory)
(=> please record the total number of files and directories inside)
Upload entire unpacked QuickStart directory
(=> please record the total number of files and directories inside QuickStart directory: must be the same as the unpacked)
Rename uploaded QuickStart directory (please call it Sanbox or something you want)

Create database, username and password.
(don’t share this here but you should have them for record keep)

Perform Quickstart Installation
Provide details here for each step
More details of what you actually did from steps #4-7 (these are the most critical steps)

Perform preliminary Post installation procedures
delete installation directory
after deletion, enter the Admin page => this must show Joomla 1.5.10 (top right)
htacess-text => .htaccess

This is very important:

First capture image
Provide a large copy (1:1) image of the Front End of your installation. This must look exactly like the Demo page of the Teline II shown in the Joomlart page.

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Be sure you read:

*Hot Topic – Sliding dark panel misaligned
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/hot-topic-sliding-dark-panel-misaligned/

You must see the errors observed by hsliong in the above link. If you do not observe the above, then you are not using the same QuickStart kit.

Note: they must be corrected only after you are able to make a copy of what is referred to as First capture image.

Do not proceed any further, especially if there are other layout errors, i.e., layout different from the Teline II Demo page in the Joomlart site.

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Cornelio

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