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[tworld Friend tworldJoin date: October 2011Posts: 58Downloads:0Uploads:5 Thanks: 6 Thanked: 1 times in 1 posts]

#421576

For the future, where do I go to find what Joomla module position all the custom positions of a template are pointing to?

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#421577

<blockquote>For the future, where do I go to find what Joomla module position all the custom positions of a template are pointing to? </blockquote>

Sorry could be more clear i don’t understand what you mean

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#421578

What I mean is that when I type ?tp=1, I don’t see all the positions marked on the page. I see CSS IDs and classes but not all the possible positions are shown. Here’s an example from the Gantry Framework where they show all the possible positions for one of their templates:

Do we have something similar in the T3 framework? I thought ?tp=1 would show all of them, but it doesn’t seem to do so.

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#421579

Joomlart have something better you can choose what you want see, customizing the form on the left top

you must be sure that in template manager you have Enable Template Information flagged on YES

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#421580

Enable Template Information was already set to YES for me. If you go to here and then put your cursor on the top.slideshow box, the module position shown in the top left is slideshow. And this is I am looking for. But, if you put your cursor on the top.mainnav box, the module position is empty. Same thing if you put your cursor on the search box; the module position is empty.

This is what I mean by saying that not all the module positions are shown.

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#435279

<em>@tworld 278703 wrote:</em><blockquote>Enable Template Information was already set to YES for me. If you go to here and then put your cursor on the top.slideshow box, the module position shown in the top left is slideshow. And this is I am looking for. But, if you put your cursor on the top.mainnav box, the module position is empty. Same thing if you put your cursor on the search box; the module position is empty.

This is what I mean by saying that not all the module positions are shown.</blockquote>

Hi Pavit,

I have the very same issue; the module position for the top horizontal menu is not shown!

Here is the screen shot.

Could you please provide advice me on how should I sort out the issue and find the position for main menu? Saying that I have two languages hence must have two menus.

Thanks,
Vaalf

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#435283

<em>@pavit 278612 wrote:</em><blockquote>In your Template Manager Profile Tab you have assigned your new profile to all pages
In your new profile you had as menu not the main menu but about us

this often happens when we create multilanguages sites i don’t know why joomla changes the menu assignments in the profiles maybe this could be a Joomla bug</blockquote>

Hi Pavit,

I have the very same issue as tworld. I have set up my Joomla to be multilingual by having two languages, Arabic and English. My problem is also with displaying individual top menus for each language. (i.e. with some settings the menu for one language appears but with some others this menu disappears and the menu for second language appears and viceversa :(()

From the comments of yours in this thread I just learned here that this should be accomplished by properly setting up my JA Ores template. So I tried several different setting combinations but none was the solution to my problem. So to put my issue in a good point to start diagnostics from your side I would like to initially propose an underlying question:

I think that to have the maximum design and layout flexibility for each language of my website, I would better to have two distinctive JA Ores templates for each language; one for Arabic and the other for English by duplicating from the original JA Ores template which is assigned to language “ALL”. This way I shall have 3 JA Ores templates in my system. Is this a correct/recommended approach?

Thanks,
Vaalf

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#435309

Hi vaalfco

I don’t think could be a good solution

also because you have the overrides function

You can create a menu for each language in your case you need to create only one new menu for arabic language

After you have created this menu you need to create a new profile Arabic for example inside the profile you must choose the Arabic menu as menu and rtl as direction

after in page assignments assign this profile to all the items of your new arabic menu

<blockquote>I have the very same issue; the module position for the top horizontal menu is not shown!</blockquote>

There isn’t any position for the main menu you can check it in the Default layout tab it is defined in the mainnav block

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#435512

<em>@pavit 296654 wrote:</em><blockquote>You can create a menu for each language in your case you need to create only one new menu for arabic language</blockquote>

Hi Pavit,

Your instruction is contrary to Joomla! multilingual setup. Joomla! urges to create individual menus for each language. In our case, one for English, another one for Arabic and leaving the the default menu for ALL.

I would be thankful if you could further clarify how your instruction may be in conformity with Joomla instructions?

Next, I think your instruction is applicable ONLY when JA Ores (or any other template from Joomlart) is concerned? Is it right?

Thanks,
Ehsan

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#435516

<blockquote>Your instruction is contrary to Joomla! multilingual setup.</blockquote>

I’m giving a working solution to your issue

Any workaround is contrary to joomla multilingual specification ( nothing in the joomla core files was modified )

anyway if you have a better solution with Joomla specification, feel free to apply to your site.

<blockquote>I think your instruction is applicable ONLY when JA Ores (or any other template from Joomlart) is concerned? Is it right?</blockquote>

You are using Joomlart template so my solution can be applied to joomlart templates only

Regards

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#435535

<em>@pavit 296909 wrote:</em><blockquote>I’m giving a working solution to your issue </blockquote>

Thanks. And I’m also seeking a working solution to my issue which complies with Joomla! not only because I like to be pig-headed but because this way my website will not loose agility when future Joomla releases that might change things arrive or if I would like to switch to another non-joomlart template. In other words, staying with standard Joomla how-to ensures that I will not experience a head-ache any time in future.

<em>@pavit 296909 wrote:</em><blockquote>Any workaround is contrary to joomla multilingual specification</blockquote>

Why should I go for a workaround at all to implement a standard Joomla feature? As you may agree, I strongly believe that it is your template that has to be in compliance with Joomla. When you use the term “workaround” as its underlying meaning implies so you are admitting that your template suffers from some sort of limitation so it needs a workaround to get it fixed.

As said above, to go the right path I should implement a multilingual website that is just in full conformity with Joomla instructions to avoid any pitfall. Just imagine if I would like to use another template (a non-joomlart template) someday in the future; in that case I have to rebuild all the menus in my system!

<em>@pavit 296909 wrote:</em><blockquote>anyway if you have a better solution with Joomla specification, feel free to apply to your site.</blockquote>
I think I am entitled to seek a guidance from you that is just in line with Joomla! features unless you say that Joomlart’s templates are not in line with Joomla!. To put it other way, one may say Why are not we able to use Joomla features the way Joomla instructs us if we want to use joomlart’s templates?

Pavit, please kindly note that I’m not to put an argument with you here but I would like to get the best possible answer from you which will not cause me any trouble in future. So again I would appreciate your clarification on the issue that how is it possible to simultaneously stay with Joomla multilingual implementation instructions and deploy a multilingual website with JA Ores? And if you answers: “No it is not possible”, then it is a flaw in your template that need a fix.

And is it possible to have two distinctive JA Ores templates for each language; one for English and one for Arabic? If yes, how? and could you please tell me associated pros and cons of such implementation? If possible then I also need to know how to assign the menu for each language to each template?

Thanks,
Vaalf

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#435561

Hi vaalfco

Maybe here there was a misunderstanding due to english language ( My fault )

Anyway i want be clear on one thing when i have suggested the override solution for the multilingual menu, was because you have

asked the way to set two Templates on the same site.

<blockquote>
I don’t think could be a good solution
also because you have the overrides function</blockquote>

The override function is a feature included in Joomlart templates that give the chance to the users to avoid ( and this is your case )situations like yours where you have thought to install two templates or make three menu ( Main menu All — Mainmenu english — Mainmenu Arabic)

This is a good solution ? with a new menu you have other pages to give to Google crawlers right ?

Also the override function does not alter in any way the joomla core software, when you decide to change template, it will be deleted with the t3 plugin framework, so you can use all joomla features you need without any problem.

This is another great advantage offered by joomlart template ( so now are two )

You asked me how to do this ? simple

1) I suppose you have already installed the Arabic language and already you have an Arabic main menu

2) The english language is the default joomla installation language so your main menu is an English menu

3) Goto template manager –>Profile Tab –> make 2 new profiles Arabic where in the Menu Settings you will choose the Arabic menu and i suppose the direction RTL

4 ) Make another profile and call it English where in the Menu Settings you will choose Mainmenu

Now you have 2 new profiles Arabic and English

5) Goto the left Page assignments you have two columns Pages and Profiles click on the first empty space below the All pages and choose in the list the home of the Arabic menu

6) On the right you will have now profile click on the empty space near the id of the menu and choose as profile Arabic now click on apply

7) Repeat the same steps described above for the english profile in the page assignment choose the main menu Home

Save and clean your jat3 cache refresh your frontend page

That’s all

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#435649

Hi Pavit,

Thanks for expanding your answer but for unknown reason even your expanded reply doesn’t include a reply to my questions!:(( In fact your explanation on the workaround confirms the assumption that “we are not able to use Joomla features the way Joomla instructs us if we want to use joomlart’s templates”.

These were my questions:
<blockquote>
1) How is it possible to simultaneously stay with Joomla multilingual implementation instructions and deploy a multilingual website with JA Ores? And if you answers: “No it is not possible”, then it is a flaw in your template that need a fix. </blockquote>

NOTE: By Joomla multilingual implementation instructions I mean to have a distinctive main menu for every language; in our case these would be: Mainmenu English, Mainmenu Arabic & Mainmenu All.

<blockquote>2) Is it possible to have two distinctive JA Ores templates for each language; one for English and one for Arabic? If yes, how? and could you please tell me associated pros and cons of such implementation? If possible then I also need to know how to assign the menu for each language to each template?</blockquote>

What you have clarified is in fact your previous solution which doesn’t accommodate all the three main menus in my system: Mainmenu All, Mainmenu English & Mainmenu Arabic but only two of them Mainmenu All & Mainmenu Arabic! And as said earlier this is not in conformity with Joomla instructions to build a multilingual website. (Adding this that I would have understood what you have meant by using Mainmenu All instead of and for Mainmenu English)

I do understand what the great override feature of jat3 is and how it does not alter in any way the joomla core software but PLEASE note that the menus which I have already created in my system are not part of joomla core but user settings and I don’t want to re-implement these settings again in future when I switch to a non-joomlart template in future.

If you could kindly answer each of the above questions individually and in an organized way I will get what I need to get out of all these posts.

Thanks,
Vaalf

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#435653

If you switch templates in future you will have to do some work, that is the normal way of thins whether it is a JA Template or almost any other. Not just the menu’s, but module positions etc. As far as the menus are concerned you often have to do a lot of editing from template to template even when you use 2 from the same template club.

What you have to understand is that the kinds of menus we are talking here are very advanced compared to the standard Joomla menus. It is the same with the mega menus from all of the template clubs. That is one of the great features of Joomla in that we can use overrides and extend the functionality all based around a very powerful core.

Pavit has given you a detailed answer and one that will work with as many langues as you wish. I am not sure we can add much more to the above. However, I will speak to the devs and see what they say. Please bear with us for a few days though as the devs are on their annual holidays until next week.

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#435694

Hi Phill,

Thanks for participating in the thread.

Again here are my questions to be answered by you or Devs:

1) How is it possible to simultaneously stay with Joomla multilingual implementation instructions and deploy a multilingual website with JA Ores? And if you answers: “No, it is not possible”, then it is a flaw in your template that need a fix.

NOTE: By Joomla multilingual implementation instructions I mean to have a distinctive main menu for every language; in our case these would be: Mainmenu English, Mainmenu Arabic & Mainmenu All.

2) Is it possible to have two distinctive JA Ores templates for each language; one for English and one for Arabic? If yes, how? and could you please tell me associated pros and cons of such implementation? If possible then I also need to know how to assign the menu for each language to each template?

Thanks,
Vaalf

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