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#131284

When adding a new article to the frontpage, only the title is shown.
This also happens when i remove all text from one of the demo-articles in the frontpage, and replace it with own text.

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#262013

Hi veca … welcome!

This could be a small bug. Not sure what versin of Joomla you’re using but … try a few things for me:

1. In the article editor, check the HTML and if you see a <b> or </b> then remove them and republish

if not

2. Take the photo out and republish

if not

3. change the position of your ‘read more’ marker

Let me know if any of those have any effect!!

Good Luck
Chris

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#262016

The picture does show, but no text.
If I click on the title, the article shows ok
I installed the joomla version in the zip (1.5.3)

This is the html of a article.
<p>Vandaag of morgen</p><p>Zullen de trainingen beslist eens hervatten</p><hr id=”system-readmore” /><p> </p><p>Na de read more….</p>

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#262021

If I make the text longer, it works OK. So, there seems to be a problem with “short” articles.

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#262039

Hello veca,
I have run into the same problem on short articles. If you put in a read more closer to the top of the document than you have set the chars in the module nothing will show. Exsample you have set max chars to 350 and you put the read more at char 300 you will only see the title.

Bug or logical? Who knows.

Bosse

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#262047

<em>@bossep 69275 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hello veca,
I have run into the same problem on short articles. If you put in a read more closer to the top of the document than you have set the chars in the module nothing will show. Exsample you have set max chars to 350 and you put the read more at char 300 you will only see the title.

Bug or logical? Who knows.

Bosse</blockquote>

We solved this already. That is we found a work around (see outline below), and a Hainn’s fix has been posted for these and most of the problems that you encountered. We were busy while you were having fun. 🙂

<em>@veca 69240 wrote:</em><blockquote>When adding a new article to the frontpage, only the title is shown.
This also happens when i remove all text from one of the demo-articles in the frontpage, and replace it with own text.</blockquote>

It will help if you show your site, and what Joomla version you are showing. Also, there is an extensive discussion on how to solve this issue in several posts already — notably the one with gaygiorgia. The problem arises if you have unusual html mark ups, like <br /> or <li></li>, etc. Click the “html edit” to find out if you have these unusual characters. You have to remove them. Please read the gaygiorgia thread on this.

A partial fix has been done too, by Hainn based on the result of the thread post by gaygiorgia. You have to install the Hainn’s fix, Joomla 1.5.3-Teline II v1.4, but for that I can only make the QuickStart kit work.

But, even with the Hainn’s fix, the problem can still happen. as Chris stated it has got to do with where you place the “Read more”. I did an analysis on the limitation of the Hainn’s fix, Joomla 1.5.3-Teline II v1.4 in regard this issue (there is a Tips thread on this).

<em>@veca 69254 wrote:</em><blockquote>If I make the text longer, it works OK. So, there seems to be a problem with “short” articles.</blockquote>
It does, if you do not violate the rules that Chris tried to tell you, as I outlined above also. You have to read the gaygiorgia thread to get a better idea of how and when these disappearing acts happen.

The bottom line, assuming you have done the Hainne’s fix, if you set your maximum characters at 400, the “Read more” must be placed well after 400 characters. If you have not done the Hainn’s fix, as indicated above, you have to consider both the presence of unusual html mark ups (see above) and the position of the “Read more”.

Please note that this issue happens only in the headline article(s) in the JA News FrontPage module (front end).

Cornelio

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Cornelio

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#262055

Hello Cornelio,
Strange thing is that this worked on the first ver. of Teline II J1.5.x remember my tests? I do think this started too happened after some other bug fixes. But as you me and others has screamed for, without the list of fixes it is impossible to follow up.
You really made me smile at your comment about “unusual html mark ups” it was actually one of the first tags out there and was present in the first HTML standard long before table, div and other strange animals. Same goes for BR. So we have a system that don’t accept even the simplest tags in the beginning of an article ware normally like to be a bit fancy to catch our readers attention. Oh well, iJomla News for J1.5.x so I will probably migrate to that one. Pity this thing was SO promising.
Then when I see that JA will start to sell the news thingy as component I understand the strategy.
“Let the suckers that pay for the template do the alpha and beta testing so we get a killer component to sell”.

All the best

Bosse

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#262068

<em>@bossep 69296 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hello Cornelio,
Strange thing is that this worked on the first ver. of Teline II J1.5.x remember my tests? I do think this started too happened after some other bug fixes. But as you me and others has screamed for, without the list of fixes it is impossible to follow up.
You really made me smile at your comment about “unusual html mark ups” it was actually one of the first tags out there and was present in the first HTML standard long before table, div and other strange animals. Same goes for BR. So we have a system that don’t accept even the simplest tags in the beginning of an article ware normally like to be a bit fancy to catch our readers attention. </blockquote>

Actually Bosse, this is standard in most modern CMS, the separation of “html markups”, CSS or layouting from the text. They allow some “simple” layouting via the allowed markups in a WYSWYG editor.

Modern CMS were meant for a mixed environment. The concept is this: The best journalist (even a Pulitzer Prize winner) may have no clue as to the html markups or how to layout his(her) article in the New York Times. In fact, (s)he is likely to mess it up.

So, what does New York Times do?

They hire the whiz kids and great webdesigners — who may not even know how to spell “separate” or think “lightening” is that blinding flash in the sky — to create the scripts needed to create the New York Times, as we take for granted. But, the powers that be in NYT don’t expect these tech guys (or gals) to write the articles for the New York Times.

So, what do they create for the Pulitzer Prize Winners, or plagiarizers(*grins*) who know nothing about html markups?

Something similar you see in Joomla 1.0.x:

Place your title here ( title form window)
Authors here (another form window)
Intro text here (another window)
Main text here (another window)
And do not exceed this much space (simple, the journalist may want to type more and nothing happens) — so (s)he has to edit his(her) article to conform to the space.

Then, the defined CSS (found elsewhere) plus the scripts created for each “module” of an article” will do the magic.

Ain’t it neat? We the readers do not see how dumb some journalist can be when it comes to tech stuff. Some old albatross actually were proud to proclaim that they don’t own a computer or do not know how to use one, even an email. And, the whiz tech kids are the darling of the tech world.

No Plato’s Republic here.:)

<em>@bossep 69296 wrote:</em><blockquote>Oh well, iJomla News for J1.5.x so I will probably migrate to that one. Pity this thing was SO promising.
Then when I see that JA will start to sell the news thingy as component I understand the strategy.
“Let the suckers that pay for the template do the alpha and beta testing so we get a killer component to sell”.

All the best

Bosse</blockquote>

Don’t even go there. I have iJoomla Magazine. iJoomla is so slow in upgrading their stuff. And, iJoomla will point you back to a template company — that was how I was introduced to Joomlart. By the way, for as long as you use Joomla, what I explained above is the essence of Joomla CMS.

You can play with markups in the full article, or even add PHP, Java scripts if you want, using some Joomla extensions. Just be very careful none of your malicious contributors have access to them.

Cornelio

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#262079

Agree and agree again,
I have been developing applications for end users since the early 90’s and one of the worse nightmare was to get the reporters on a TV channel to write articles that could be used in a news cast.

I do think a lot of the problems are related to the WSIWYG editors used in Joomla (and else ware).
I also subscribe to the KISS rule most of the time but sometimes you can’t avoid some headlines, line breaks and bulleted lists. I also think that the old function that removed basically all formatting was fantastic. No BS on the front page but allowed for some creativity in the article itself. This was BTW the reason I switched from iJomla news to Teline 2 in an earlier stage.

I also agree that we need patches for updates. This with the quick start is fine but if you have a live site like mine…. I don’t think I have to say anything more.
I also agree in your earlier post that it is an insult NOT to take the fixes that Menalto and others has come up with into the new release. Are we on different planets here?

All the best

Bosse

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#262082

<em>@bossep 69323 wrote:</em><blockquote>Agree and agree again,
I have been developing applications for end users since the early 90’s and one of the worse nightmare was to get the reporters on a TV channel to write articles that could be used in a news cast.

I do think a lot of the problems are related to the WSIWYG editors used in Joomla (and else ware).
I also subscribe to the KISS rule most of the time but sometimes you can’t avoid some headlines, line breaks and bulleted lists. I also think that the old function that removed basically all formatting was fantastic. No BS on the front page but allowed for some creativity in the article itself. This was BTW the reason I switched from iJomla news to Teline 2 in an earlier stage.

I also agree that we need patches for updates. This with the quick start is fine but if you have a live site like mine…. I don’t think I have to say anything more.
I also agree in your earlier post that it is an insult NOT to take the fixes that Menalto and others has come up with into the new release. Are we on different planets here?

All the best

Bosse</blockquote>

Hi Bosse,

To be fair to Hainn and Joomlart,

I read the changelog and I was dismayed at first. But, I wanted to have the Joomla 1.5.4, so I decided give it a try, anyway.

1. Joomla 1.5.3-Teline II v1.4
2. QuickStart install
3. Joomla 1.5.3 to Joomla 1.5.4 patch

since it worked, I simplified it even further:

1. Upload (unpacked) Joomla 1.5.3-Teline II v1.4
2. Upload (unpacked) Joomla 1.5.3 to Joomla 1.5.4 patch
3. QuickStart install

What I found was that there were more fixes than indicated in the changelog — it was not just explained as well, including some of the one that affected you before you went on vacation.

If you use the Hainn’s fix, now you can use <br /> and the break actually shows, or paragraph break; stuff like that. So, the issue in this post has been dealt with by the Hainn’s fix and more

Maybe even the <h1></h1>:), but I did not try that. I know it will mess up the Home page look — if you have fixed “characters” or words, instead of space.

What we found out too is that many of the flaws attributed to JA Teline II are triggered by actions of users, including this one, or inherent in the Joomla, not Joomlart.

Both work with me so far. I have created something like more than a dozen sites of them already because I am experimenting with something. I have no problems with them so far, except those extensions from other companies are not working well.

However, there is an inherent flaw to both the approach I used above, if you analyze it (too long to discuss here). I outlined the flaws in a different thread; but because I mixed it with a more sensitive issue Hung decided to place the thread in a more private forum.

Anyway, the best way is to create a Joomla 1.5.4-Teline II v1.4 (with more fixes, if possible). And Hung indicated that they are working on it already.

So, you may consider trying them, as a sandbox.

Cornelio

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#262089

Thanks Cornelio,
I tried the 1.4 Quick start J1.5.3 JA1.4 and naturally tried the H1…laughing same as before. I also tried it with the w3c validator (Removed my h1) and got a bunch off errors. Not near as many as on my site but…
I will now try the J1.5.4 patch. I will probably apy this to my live site as well. But I dont know if I have the nerve to do the JA1.4 on the live site as I cant use the Quick Start.

BTW have you tried the News stand alone component?

Bosse

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#262090

<em>@bossep 69334 wrote:</em><blockquote>Thanks Cornelio,
I tried the 1.4 Quick start J1.5.3 JA1.4 and naturally tried the H1…laughing same as before. I also tried it with the w3c validator (Removed my h1) and got a bunch off errors. Not near as many as on my site but…
I will now try the J1.5.4 patch. I will probably apy this to my live site as well. But I dont know if I have the nerve to do the JA1.4 on the live site as I cant use the Quick Start.

BTW have you tried the News stand alone component?

Bosse</blockquote>

As I stated Bosse, the Hainn’s fix actually allow <br />, <p></p> from my tests, even <b></b>, and maybe more, including as you found, the <h1></h1>.

So, it has good and bad repercussions, and if you know its behavior you have a better idea how to use it.

Knock on wood, the J1.5.4 patch has not affected my live sites.

If you mean the template and the modules. I cannot say that I have enough expertise to say that it did not work because it would not, or because of me.:) [But, I never botched a Gavick Pro installation, after I learned how, that is my strongest defense.]. So, for now, since I do not have the time, I am sticking to the QuickStart.

By the way, there are a number of Joomla extensions that allow you to transfer content (not the whole database) from one Joomla site to another. I have not tried it myself, but one of the posters here stated that he did it routinely, including the back up of his site.

Cornelio

Cornelio

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#262097

Well the removal of h1 p etc. worked in ver. 1 of TelineII as I have tested it so for this, this is not valid.
<blockquote>Maybe even the <h1></h1>, but I did not try that. I know it will mess up the Home page look — if you have fixed “characters” or words, instead of space.

What we found out too is that many of the flaws attributed to JA Teline II are triggered by actions of users, including this one, or inherent in the Joomla, not Joomlart.</blockquote>
I do think it has to do with a function that goes back in the text string and removes orphan tags that was present in the first ver. But I cant find it!
It might also be that it removes all single tags but not pairs. I dont really know!
Perhaps I need to studdy PHP?…sigh
Bosse

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