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<em>@questbg 70489 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hi Cornelio

Interesting you should post this. For the last two days I’ve been investigating other ‘online magazines’ and couldn’t hardly find any that allowed PDF save of articles.

As you say, one main reason for this is people can just ‘take’ the article and then e-mail it to friends, etc., which doesn’t do a lot of good for the site (even more so if the logo is missing!).

At least the ‘print’ and ‘e-mail’ option results in more ‘clicks’ on the site. Plus, e-mail actually only sends the link of the article, not the actual article, which could then mean new visitors to the site and yet more clicks!

In retrospect, we may actually decide to leave the PDF option altogether!

However, I’d still be interested in 2Patrick’s investigations into the PDF generator extension.

Cheers
Chris</blockquote>

Hi Chris,

What you stated above is true and consistent with what I posted.

In science magazines where true pdf (high fidelity) materials are critical — including working links, high fidelity images, etc. — you can buy a pdf generator software that would exactly show what you see in a science magazine and more.

I believe it is Adobe that sells the software.

The resulting high fidelity pdf format is standard in most science magazines because microscopic images, or high resolution images must show clearly at any magnification. The caveat, each article is more like 300-500kb, and even more depending on how many pages and what sort of images are shown.

So, unless you have high capacity servers and you can afford lots of bandwidth, providing such high fidelity pdf would be a very costly proposition. It is affordable in science magazines because scientists actually pay for all publications.

Cornelio

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#263063

Hi Cornelio

<em>@cgc0202 70500 wrote:</em><blockquote>It is affordable in science magazines because scientists actually pay for all publications.
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How refreshing to hear some small part of society are still prepared to pay for quality publications. I may be a Joomla head now, but my roots are still in lead and wood type … I started life as a hot metal compositor, the ink is still in my veins!!

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#263073

<em>@questbg 70540 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hi Cornelio

How refreshing to hear some small part of society are still prepared to pay for quality publications. I may be a Joomla head now, but my roots are still in lead and wood type … I started life as a hot metal compositor, the ink is still in my veins!!</blockquote>

Hi Chris,

It is not actually a small part, it is a very big business of the science and education community. Amost all the big publishing houses have a science and journal division. Perhaps several billions of dollars.

One publication for example, the Journal of Biological Chemistry would cost libraries several thousand dollars per year. Think how many tens of thousands of major universities in the world there are. And most of the big libraries of universities around the world pay for it. On top of that, the authors actually pay for each publication (like US$50 -$200) but that usually comes from a grant.

In major universities, like Harvard U, while there is one major library, there are many libraries within — there is one at the Harvard Yard itself, one specially for the Medical School, etc. IN fact, most of the so-called teaching hospitals have their own libraries (there are at least 17 of them) have their own libraries. Massachusetts General Hospital alone has several libraries, and some rich departments have their own libraries with the major publications in each. Thus, Harvard alone pays millions of dollars, for all these publications.

Here is the odd thing in science, the copyright to the publication is not the authors but the journal.
Thus, since scientists and students request reprints, the authors have to buy reprints from the journal again, since the journal owns the copyright for each article.

This was the old setup when every big university and research institution has almost unlimited funds coming from research institutions like the National Institutes of Health. In the US, and everywhere, while there is more money going to science is getting larger, there are greater expenses too.

There are limited expenses for libraries also to buy journals. So, there are some snail pace changes. Many prominent scientists for example do not like the fact that their own work beome the cash cow of publishing houses. So, with the aid of the internet, they are exploring new venues — the physical scientists and mathematicians are in the forefront. And big universities, like Harvard now have changed policies to allow Open Source publications, and the “copyright” would be owned by the scientists. They can then have as much freedom to share their publications with everyone.

This is the reason for the high resolution PDF. It is much cheaper for each scientist to share their work that way.

A very prominent scientist, Varmus, a Nobel Prize winner and also the former head of NIH decided to form the “Open Source” publications journal — still peer-reviewed but it will not be controlled by publishing houses. Again, the concept is more popular in the physical sciences. In biology and medicine though, the big journals — Science, Nature, Cell, etc. — are still owned by publishing houses. Many scientists would want their work publish there.

One practice changing is that the major journals do not go after scientists now if they just share their work using high resolution PDF. That is the more common practice among scientists now. That is the reason for the big business now of Adobe on their high resolution PDF sofrware.

Cornelio

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#263097

Chris, Cornelio and others,
My take on this. If your material is worth selling you probably could do the effort to create a high quality pdf and then let your clients upload the document.
Thinking: using a shopping cart for the high resolution pdf’s or eBooks. You could then use Joomla for the abstracts to generate interest. This is just one scenario I could probably come up with more.
With this you could run a no pay site and you open up a bigger market. You could also have a few docs for free, the # buzz word, to get people interested! This is also really good way to generate traffic.

I normally use Acrobat or a really good little utility called primopdf. Primopdf lets you create your document in any program that can print and you could print from screen view to post print quality.
But this is exactly that a print rendering utility. Acrobat gives you a lot more options but it has a longer learning curve.
To keep your documents in joomla take a look at these extensions:
http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,listcats/cat_id,1771/Itemid,35/

I also think that you could use VirtueMart to handle the sale of publications.
http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,129/Itemid,35/

I myself am working on a site for a photographer who will sell pictures in different resolutions and prices.
Trick here is to create galleries for the web and downloads to a price!

Bosse

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#263186

Hi Bosse

<em>@bossep 70585 wrote:</em><blockquote>
I myself am working on a site for a photographer who will sell pictures in different resolutions and prices. </blockquote>

Have you checked out http://www.istockphoto.com ?

I’ve been using their images for around 4 years now, their method of purchasing ‘credits’ and then using varying amounts of ‘credits’ for various ‘resolutions’ works very well.

A very nice search engine in there too!

Cheers
Chris

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hello Chris,
That looks great! I might just sign up for this.
For my client, I dont know. No $ in it for me and I have to live to!
But mybe I could be a bit creative on this!

Bosse

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#263528

Hi questbg

There is a reply in the Joomla forum about a solution to the pdf printing problem :

http://forum.joomla.org/viewtopic.php?f=428&t=311104

Can you check it out and revert whether it works /

regards

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#263586

Hi 2Patrick

I followed the steps, however, when I clicked on the link to download the latest tcpdf package (4.0.015), there were no files available for download on the SourceForge.net page?

Very strange, maybe it was an incorrect link?

Cheers
Chris

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#263613

Hello Chris,
I did the same thing with the same result.
But I clicked around on the tabs and found it under files, I think.
Bosse

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#263676

Hi questbg

A bit caught up with other work so I wont be getting into “hands on ” on Teline II and Joomla for another 2 weeks or so.Please check again on the Joomla forum and refer to the guy who proposed the pdf printing solution.

Do feedback if it really works

thanks

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