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[anisjolly Friend anisjollyJoin date: April 2008Posts: 661Downloads:0Uploads:15 Thanks: 33 Thanked: 96 times in 55 posts]

#137043

Hung / MiCCAS / Moderators

There are quite a few forum posts which are asking about removing footer copyright. I think the one problem us forum helpers is to be sure whether those members actually have copyright removal as part of their package.

Yes, we can look at when they joined or look at the type of membership they have so we can give them the correct answer but what is quite unclear is whether older members have renewed their membership and whether they then have to abide to the new terms and conditions or whether they are continuing with the same terms and conditions from when they joined.

Can you please make this clear for us all?

Also, if we need to help people with these kinds of queries, how can we do this without actually breaking JA rules (if you see what I mean). We can’t give one person the answer and not know whether they have or have not got the copyright removal in their package.

Could we come up with a standard solution to this where we can give the same answer to everyone?

Any help on this would be great!

🙂

Anis

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#286190

Good question, there are indeed quite some things unclear regarding the copyright.

And when seeing there are a lot questions about removing the copyright it would be really helpful if JA staff makes things clear.

Most users simply dont know about the copyright removal, so maybe there can be something done so that users are aware about this?

After buying the copyright removal i believe they recieve a copyright removal kit wich contains instructions on how to remove/edit the copyright.

For older members it is important to know if you renew if you fall under new agreements or stay under the old agreement in general (as there have been more changes besides the copyright)

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#286199

bennitos;105757After buying the copyright removal i believe they recieve a copyright removal kit wich contains instructions on how to remove/edit the copyright.

The removal instructions have been posted by Hung and others before Sept ’08 and are still available by using the forum search if new members bothered to look for them.

It is really just one word that needs to be clarified really. From the Joomlart FAQ…Can I edit or remove JoomlArt Copyright?
Note: This restriction is applied to new memberships purchased on JoomlArt from 16 Sept 2008 only. All templates under memberships purchased before this date are not subject to this restriction.

You can remove JA copyright information with condition that you purchase Copyright Removal feature which is separated from your JATC Standard membership fee. With this package you can remove our footer “Designed by JoomlArt.com” and changed it to “Designed/Powered by YourCompany” as well as other reference to JoomlArt.com.My perception of the wording is that anyone who signed up before Sept ’08 can continue to alter the copyright info even after renewal as they are not strictly ‘new memberships’. But of course my perception could be (and probably is) wrong.

So the question for JA is, does a renewal of membership constitute a new membership? If it does, then the wording should be changed to “This restriction is applied to new and renewed memberships purchased….”

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#286200

Wayhay Scotty – cheers buddy

I did perform many searches and for some strange reason the right thread just did not show up.

i was thinking about making a thread and asking to make it a sticky so that ALL members who do not perform a search can just look at it OR we can simply answer the thread with – here’s your info and link to the stickied thread. save us more time typing the bloody thing out again.

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#286605

Well as there has been no official reply I will go on presuming that my interpretation of the rules is correct and that those memberships that existed before Sept’08 are not ‘new’ memberships and can still remove Copyright info after renewal.

[Hung Dinh Friend Hung DinhJoin date: September 2014Posts: 4408Downloads:11Uploads:189 Thanks: 309 Thanked: 3310 times in 3 posts]

#287981

Hi Scotty,
I am sorry for the late reply. I have missed your post.

The renewal can be understood as a new membership because the renewal are given all the benefit as new signup. In summary, we need to interpret your concern: “This restriction is applied to new and renewed memberships purchased….”

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#287982

Well that’s finally cleared that up once and for all.

Thank you Hung.

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#287997

Yes, this has been written about so many times it is good to finally get some official word on it.

[topdeadcenter Friend topdeadcenterJoin date: May 2007Posts: 3Downloads:0Uploads:0]

#288364

So if I wanted to purchase a template for my company for example, I would need to first purchase a membership for a minimum of $59.00, then pay another $40.00 to remove the copyright from the footer? So thats $90.00 for one domain (my company website)?

Reading the Rocket Theme terms of service shows this:
<blockquote>”You must also not change or remove the copyright information in the header of the xml descriptor file. You may however remove our copyright from the footer of the templates if needed.”</blockquote>
And I believe they offer a $50.00 membership level. Am I wrong somehow?

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#288367

topdeadcenter;108427So if I wanted to purchase a template for my company for example, I would need to first purchase a membership for a minimum of $59.00, then pay another $40.00 to remove the copyright from the footer? So thats $90.00 for one domain (my company website)?

Reading the Rocket Theme terms of service shows this:

And I believe they offer a $50.00 membership level. Am I wrong somehow?

Yes, it’s $99 not $90 :p. You will find that many of the members here are ex-rocketheme members. Why? because Joomlart templates are better.

I’d pay the extra $11 for 9 more months support though and two more (copyright intact) domains.

You also get an automatic discount on renewal (12 month renewal is $49 + 3 more domains added) and if you are a regular poster poster on the forums you will easily earn credits which can be redeemed for further membership.

$99 for the standard of template you get at Joomlart is very good value TBH.

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#288502

I have used both RT and JA templates in the past, which is better “quality” is an entirely seperate debate. Having a copyright displayed in the footer of a website may be acceptable to part-time businesses, charities and other smaller projects but it isn’t going to fly with small to medium size businesses. If we compare apples to apples and the price of each, it seems JA has simply outpriced itself in this market.

This particular issue is from a viewpoint of one business with in-house creative IT looking to develop one (it’s own) website. The longer subscription time and multiple domain license advantage doesn’t mean much unless you’re talking to a 3rd party web developer, in which case I’m sure they wouldn’t want a copyright displayed either.

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#288509

Sounds to me like you just want to get the your website as cheap as you possibly can.

If you think $99 is excessive to have a full Content Management System with a professionally designed and copyright free frontend then it doesn’t really say much for how you value your business and it’s presentation on the web. Most ‘medium sized businesses’ have spent thousands on their sites.

If you think RT’s templates are better… then join them. If you think JA make better business style templates then join here. I never came across a business before, medium or otherwise, and with it’s own ‘in-house creative IT’ department that griped over $49 to have a website they wanted.

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#288520

Not worth paying for TBH thats y i have not renewed my membership this year prices rises, diffrent rules hope the supports alot better than it was been a memebr since 2006 main reason for joining and renewing great competative prices not anymore

[topdeadcenter Friend topdeadcenterJoin date: May 2007Posts: 3Downloads:0Uploads:0]

#288713

<blockquote>Sounds to me like you just want to get the your website as cheap as you possibly can.</blockquote>

Who doesn’t? I think in this economy thats just a given 🙂 Our customers gripe about prices, we then gripe about prices to our suppliers. Thats just how it goes.

I was merely asking if there were any details I was missing when comparing JA template prices to RT template prices. Clearly there are not, so I’ll move on.

<blockquote>If you think $99 is excessive to have a full Content Management System with a professionally designed and copyright free frontend</blockquote>
$99.00 gets me a look and feel. Unfortunately that only gets me 5% of the way.

Anyways, even though we seem to disagree I thank you for taking the time to try to address my issues. I see that the developer had time to click the “thank you” button but not enought time to respond to my concerns. Too bad.

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#294020

I am sorry to inform you Hung, but this new rule is simply not in compliance with the GPL, and its interpretation by Joomla!
All extensions (including templates), are considered as derivative works (with the exception of the image, css and js files in templates, but still without exception on the PHP files in templates) and therefore you can not forbid your customers to modify the PHP files in a manner they want (including removing the copyright).

So, if you put such restriction, this perfectly means your products are not in compliance with the license of the main product they are made for (in our case – Joomla!), which itself brings on the question are they legal in that way?

I think you should re-consider your position and once and forever state if Joomlart’s products would be in compliance with the Joomla! license or not. I think the too often changes on your terms is some bad indication and only confuses your customers.

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