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#159005

There are no more sections, so the Section-Category format of the JA News in Teline III and Teline IV had to be reconsidered.

Sure there can still be primary “categories” but there is a reason why the JA News Module, as designed for Teline III and Teline IV may work for small sites, but would become unwieldy if not too useful for more complex cites.

Consider for example a site that would be a newsportal for the US with intent to have categories for the 50 states plus DC, and then the major cities. Then, there are the specific topics to cover for each.

How can all these categories be presented in the context of the Teline III and Teline IV JA News Module?

The answer is that it will be “a mile long” layout if one sticks with the layout concept of the Teline III and Teline IV JA News Module.

This is one reason why I decided not to use Teline III after spending so much time waiting for and trying it. But, the more important reason is that as it was in 2009, Teline III became too slow.

The same issue would be confronted in the horizontal Magazine menu, placed at the top just below the Header.

The layout revisions in Teline IV may provide some layout design insights on how to resolve the above issues.

Cornelio

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#372689

As operator of a small-to-medium newsportal, using TIV, let me try to respond to some of your points. One cannot have a laundry list front page. Naturally, some thought must go into what is left out of your front page. For instance, I have just a few of our news categories on the front page, allowing readers to gain a quick glimpse of what may be inside. Secondly, the new News Pro module offers three-different layouts for sections, including “linear” – my favorite. This further allows you to streamline the frontpage delivery. A third point: there has been a great deal of improvements in caching both with TIV and J1.6, which should provide noticeable speed increases. To increase speed even further, there are other techniques permitting you to deliver graphics quickly.

My last point is that the front page is often of most importance to the designer. I’ve found from looking at visitor logs, the most-often viewed page on a news site is the one displaying a full article. Often, a visitor will jump from article to section to article again without viewing the frontpage.

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#372906

<em>@ithacaindy 216108 wrote:</em><blockquote>As operator of a small-to-medium newsportal, using TIV, let me try to respond to some of your points. One cannot have a laundry list front page. Naturally, some thought must go into what is left out of your front page. For instance, I have just a few of our news categories on the front page, allowing readers to gain a quick glimpse of what may be inside. Secondly, the new News Pro module offers three-different layouts for sections, including “linear” – my favorite. This further allows you to streamline the frontpage delivery. A third point: there has been a great deal of improvements in caching both with TIV and J1.6, which should provide noticeable speed increases. To increase speed even further, there are other techniques permitting you to deliver graphics quickly.

My last point is that the front page is often of most importance to the designer. I’ve found from looking at visitor logs, the most-often viewed page on a news site is the one displaying a full article. Often, a visitor will jump from article to section to article again without viewing the frontpage.</blockquote>

ithacaindy;216108,

Joomla 1.6

Let me respond to the Joomla 1.6 first. I did try to basic template that goes with the Joomla 1.6. I used the Beez 20, I think as front end default template, And, it was very fast, obviously.

This means that the slower presentation of the Teline series stems from the continuing increase in complexity of the Teline series of templates. The Teline IV QuickStart is now more than 40Mb (?), and possibly this would reach almost 50Mb when integrated with Joomla 1.6.

I have the 2010 version of the 13″ MacBook Pro and I still see the “rolling stuff” when a site is not loading fast enough.

I know from Teline III that the problem stems from JA News component. So, the first thing I did was to “unpublish” the JA News (all three of them), and many of the modules, especially the custom modules and the other wihistles and bells.

The Teline IV speed improved significantly.

There is another reason actually why I was simplifying the frontpage. I want to experiment on a minimalist “Intro” page. Are you familiar with Apple’s site, where sometimes they just show a single photo of their featured product, and just a few links below and above, so that you can still go to other sections or in the case of a news portals, the more complex array of categories and other contents?

The latter would be more akin to a magazine – where there is one focus topic (e.g., the “person of the year”), as the frontpage photo and some key titles of a few other featured articles, sometimes.

Apart from the above simplification, the other issue is to address the complexity of the existing iteration of the JA News module used in Teline III and IV. I will place that as a separate response post here.

Cornelio

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#372914

I agree wholeheartedly that the faster the better – particularly on a news site. The Teline IV QuickStart is designed to be everything for everyone; much pruning is required. I tend to junk all the articles and graphics the first time I log into a fresh installation.

NewsPro is slow; some tactics have been used to speed its operations, but it is nowhere near as fast as a more streamlined template.

I’ve seen the Apple site and it is graphically appealing while also being fast. There are many third-party news presenters for Joomla that would work in place of NewsPro; a quick browse through extensions.joomla.org should find several.

Teline has grown in size and complexity as the template has progressed. I remember reverting to Teline II for a while to get that blazing speed. A huge difference from TIII.

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#373053

Hi ithacaindy,

Yes, almost all my previous sites are based on Teline II because of the issues with Teline III.

I have looked at other templates of Joomlart just this month again, and also at some other sites. It appears that Joomlart still has the best newsmagazine template. And, compared to Teline III, the Teline IV shows some promises — especially without the JA News module. Here is a quick strip down of my first

Sandbox of the Teline IV

using just a few modules:

1. JA News Frontpage => Teline II format
2. NewsFlash
3. JA Bulletin

I retained the custom modules in positions 6-10 because I have not found the dynamic module yet that I found suitable for these positions. I don’t like custom modules if I have to keep on manually replacing the contents

The modified
Sandbox of the Teline IV, is much much faster than the Demo. But, it is still not fast enough, I think once actual articles are placed. But, it is worth exploring.
.

I assume you have some experience with JA Teline IV already? If you do, can you please check the following for me:

A. Speed of presentation. How does it compare with your website?

B. Menu List on the Left Side.
I am pretty sure that the Menu List is an “accordion style”, that is. the categries in a section should show, if ever a specific section or article in a section is clicked. And that is very good. It would solve some of the issues I outlined in prior posts in this thread, and the issues I raised about the previous Teline versions.

However, the accordion feature of the Menu List seems to get stuck. Can you please try this.

1. Click on any article in a specific section.
2. Observe the Menu List on the Left, and find the one that opens.
4. Now, go as quickly as you can to another article in another Section. and observe what happens with the Menu List.
5. Ideally, the Categories of the appropriate Section that you clicked should show in the Menu list.

Can you please compare it with your own site.

C. JA Bulletin in the Content -mas-bot position

I did not look very carefully, but if I have to guess, it was working correctly in the Demo that I installed. Overall, the two JA Bulletin modules in the two positions are useful. And, the module would even be more powerful, if it allows randomization, appart from the two choices now

1. Latest
2. Most Read

I like this module, except, I got an error (although, it still shows the correct link, if I clicked on the title of the article). Do you observe the error on your browser? If you do. Are you using this module, and do you not observe the error in your site?

D. Teline II version of the JA News Module in the Teline IV template.

I am rather lost with all the too many modules included. When, I modified the JA News Frontpage script for the Teline II, it somehow became the default for the JA News FrontPage. I prefer this over the other version, that uses sliding feature articles — that uses the memory of the server too constantly, and it bogs down a site.

I am confused with the choices for actual JA News Pro. What are the positions positins for”

1. ja-news-1
2. ja-news-2
3. ja-news-3

Even if I understand, I still would not use the Teline III/Teline IV version of the JA NewsPro, because I know that they are the cause of the slow loading of the site.

Have you so far discovered any JA News module that has the speed of the JA News used in Teline II?

I am hesitant to use the Teline II JA News module because it has some layout flaws (jagged row articles presentation in a multicolumn layout) that have been corrected finally in the layout of Teline IV. However, if I have to choose, I would prefer the speed of the prior Teline II JA News over the most recent version of the JA NewsPro used in Teline III and Teline IV.

I can work around the problem of the jagged articles presentation.

Cornelio

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#373071

<em>@cgc0202 216579 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hi ithacaindy,

I assume you have some experience with JA Teline IV already? If you do, can you please check the following for me:

A. Speed of presentation. How does it compare with your website?
</blockquote>

I didn’t notice any lags.

<em>@cgc0202 216579 wrote:</em><blockquote>
B. Menu List on the Left Side.
I am pretty sure that the Menu List is an “accordion style”, that is. the categries in a section should show, if ever a specific section or article in a section is clicked. And that is very good. It would solve some of the issues I outlined in prior posts in this thread, and the issues I raised about the previous Teline versions.

However, the accordion feature of the Menu List seems to get stuck. Can you please try this.
</blockquote>

<em>@cgc0202 216579 wrote:</em><blockquote>

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#373073

Its not about the ja-news, Rather its how you intergrate it.

1) Go to the JS and css and minify them. (heck you can even combine them The point is to reduce as many js files to 1-3 as possible)

Most of joomla templates come with a gazillion files and if you use it as is, then it will be slow.

If you are a magazine portal, then sign-up with any of the CDN networks (joomlart has a component for Amazon) which works great.

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#373074

By default, the Teline IV template has CSS and JS set to join, minify and compress. I have experience with the Amazon CDN and it does make a site pretty snappy.

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#373075

Perfect. with that, Do you still find the teline series Slow?

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#373076

What helped me was turning off development mode and turning on caching. By default, development mode is on and cache is disabled.

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