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#254404

Are you sure? You tube is a flash movie. So there should exist command for stop playing the flash.

<em>@VisiGod 60050 wrote:</em><blockquote>Well, you can not change the script of Youtube ;)</blockquote>

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#254405

Yes a flash movie, that is loaded from there.

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#254409

There is a problem with the player, other YouTube players do not keep playing even though you have stopped watching that particular feed/movie.

However, that is not what this thread is about, this thread is more about the lack of interest and/or care to keep their templates bug free and when bugs have been found and fixed (by someone, most often not by the paid staff), these fixes are not added to the template packages but rather rely on their clients being forced to look around in the forum to find fixes that they then have to install manually.

That is not the way things should be, it has been said before and it has never been proven wrong – JoomlArt is more interested in making money roping in more new clients than keeping the ones they already have happy.

By their own sales copy – join now with over20271 satisfied members (and counting)…

Although at the risk of sounding like a smart ass… that is WAY misleading as a large portion of the active clientelle are not satisfied.

–Tone

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#254517

<em>@VisiGod 59901 wrote:</em><blockquote>Sorry Cornelio, but there are few points here:
1. All the bugs I found in Teline II working on Joomla! 1.5 are either bugs in the template or the extensions that come with the template. My current dev environment works pretty good, after I fixed these. So these bugs are no inherent of 1.5, but of JA products.
.</blockquote>

Hi VisiGod,

Sorry for the delay in responding. I was watching the Boston Celtics -Lakers game late last night until past midnight. It is a good feeling that our home team won, again; after 22 years of not being the King of the Basketball world here in the US.

Also, I do not have background in scripting or programming, so I cannot refute your detailed scripts posts in various threads. So, I will state my point in a different way.

As a proof of what I found to be Joomla 1.5 related errors, rather than JA Teline II, I decided to do a fresh install of just Joomla 1.5.3.

I posted my observations and multi past response here:

Revisiting the 404 – Component not found: Not a Teline II Error but Joomla 1.5
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/revisiting-the-404-component-not-found-not-a-teline-ii-error-but-joomla-1-5/

I am not the only one who observed these. In another post, a fresh (clean) Joomla install of Menalto confirmed my observations:

The errors presented in the aforementioned posts dovetails with the SEF and “404 – Component Not Found” errors that abound in the JA Teline II forum.

Note that the specific errors pointed in the Joomla 1.5x clean installations were not observed in either Joomla 1.0x or Joomla 1.0x — JA Teline II installations that I have done over the past year — a further proof (confirmed by Menalto) to be more errors assoiciated with Joomla 1.5x:

configuration.php after Joomla 1.5x-JA Teline II installation

http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/configuration-php-after-joomla-1-5x-ja-teline-ii-installation/

All my Gavick Template — Joomla 1.5x installations also elicit the same errors. Another proof. IN fact, I would be surprised, unless the corrections were made in the Joomla 1.5x related errors I discussed in

Revisiting the 404 – Component not found: Not a Teline II Error but Joomla 1.5

would be observed with any Joomlart-Joomla 1.5x installation.

There are other errors indicated in teh aforementioned thread that I do not have to elaborate here that are uniquely related to Joomla 1.5x. For example, the failure of the site name to appear in the Front Page or any other page (see discussion in the aforementioned link.

It is obvious that if the errors enumerated in the aforementioned thread are not corrected in the files of Joomla 1.5x — no revisions in any template would solve the problem.

Note that as pointed out in the series of posts, in the aforementioned, some of the errors encountered and enumerated, occur only when the Search Engine Friendly (SEF)URLs (when Yes is clicked) is activated. When the SEF is not activated, the site, whether Joomla 1.5x alone or in combination with any template will elicit the errors indicated in the list.

Having stated above, I do not dispute that there are other inherent errors in the Joomla 1.5x-JA Teline II QuickStart Kit that are definitely attributed to JA Teline II itself, and as you indicated are not corrected in the various upgrade. I participated myself if the forum, uncovering and trying to resolve these JA Teline related errors.

You stated:

<em>@VisiGod 59901 wrote:</em><blockquote>
…My current dev environment works pretty good, after I fixed these. So these bugs are no inherent of 1.5, but of JA products...</blockquote>

I wonder if you tried to solve some of the problems you encountered if you performed a clean install of Joomla 1.5 alone, and indeed resolve the SEF related errors for example. Please let me know what you find.

To conclude this response, as I posted in one of your posts, the scripting analysis that you have done is beyond my head. I cannot refute your contention therefore whether the errors that you analyzed are indeed really unique to the JA Teline II template.

However, I would not accept the contention that all errors observed and posted in JA Teline II are solely that of the template and everything is a OK with the Joomla 1.5x. My own clean installation of Joomla 1.5x alone, and that of Menalto refutes this observation that there are no errors with the Joomla 1.5x.

What is clear from my clean install of Joomla 1.5x (alone), many of the posted errors in JA Teline II are definitely those of the Joomla, and not of the template.

It is another story altogether to criticize Joomlart and their negligence, let us just make sure that we do not make them guilty for errors that are not from their templates.

I would agree with you though that in failing to do more extensive tests, including whether the Joomla 1.5x-JA Teline II works in any potential condition, Joomlart has caused much hardship and frustrations among users of the JA Teline II in their installed sites — this is specially true among new users or those who are technically-challenged when it comes to scripting and programming.

I hope you agree though that the concept demonstrated in JA Teline II is not something replicated in any other template from other templates companies. If there is any template created by other template companies that would be more advanced that JA Teline II, kindly let me know. I am not beholden to Joomlart nor any other template company. I would not mind buying another template, if it is better than JA Teline II.

I will address your other points in a separate post.

Cornelio

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#254565

What modules are you publishing to User6 – the position with the tabbed top?

I didn’t use the QuickStart because my site already had content. I don’t know what to publish in User6 to get it to look like the demo or something else useful.

Any suggestions? Thanks!

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#254668

<em>@VisiGod 59515 wrote:</em><blockquote>The current version of Teline II (1.3) and the related modules have pretty good number of bugs.
Most of them are resolved by me in posts in this forum and I see no reason, why there is no new version 1.4, where all these are fixed?

It is the case, that not JA, but me and other users fixed these bugs (which is assumed to be done by JA), but JA doesn’t make even effort to apply these fixes and to repack a new version. This is not professional and I will repeat it till you don’t change your attitude.

In order to even facilitate more the process, I will summarize here all known and fixed bugs:

1. SEF (the built-in) is not working, when using categories in JA News. Fix:
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/solved-two-major-bugs-in-teline-ii-sef-and-highslide-appearance-in-ie6/

2. Scrolls appear in the registration when using IE6 and JA Highslide. Fix:
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/solved-two-major-bugs-in-teline-ii-sef-and-highslide-appearance-in-ie6/

3. Date handling – fix to use the Joomla! function (using it in different languages) Fix:
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/solution-date-translation-the-better-way/

4. Fix of JA News to work with Joom!Fish and change of hardcoded text to JText in JA News:
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showpost.php?p=59428&postcount=6

5. Changing of hardcoded texts to JText:
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showpost.php?p=59430&postcount=3

6. Plus one additional. Change templates/ja_teline_ii/html/mod_login/default.php line 47

<input type="submit" name="Submit" class="button" value="<?php echo JText::_('Login') ?>" />

to

<input type="submit" name="Submit" class="button" value="<?php echo JText::_('BUTTON_LOGIN') ?>" />

There is one another, I hope I will fix soon:
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showpost.php?p=59091&postcount=1

Thank you for fixing it.</blockquote>

Hi VisiGod,

I share your concerns in regard Joomlart, and I have posted so in other threads. At the same time, I am looking for ways so that as customers, we can find our way to help each other.

For better archival, I am creating a summary of solved postings so that it is easy for customers to locate them.. Right now, this is just for JA Teline II, but if there is collaboration, there is no reason why others could have a similar palliative solution. It beats scrolling scrolling through the Forum sections everytime we want to find if our question has been answered before. Sometimes the search option does not get all of them.

Can you please add the link to this post in the appropriate thread:

for Joomla 1.5x
Links to solved problems known bugs of Joomla 1.5x-JA Teline II
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/links-to-solved-problems-known-bugs-of-joomla-1-5x-ja-teline-ii/

for Joomla 1.0x
Links to solved problems known bugs of Joomla 1.0x-JA Teline II
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/links-to-solved-problems-known-bugs-of-joomla-1-0x-ja-teline-ii/

Since some threads could be very long, can you please provide the following:

1. Original post heading:
2. Link
3. Your name (username)
4. Summary:
a. Brief description of the problem or question and desired goal
b. Proposed solution to the problem that worked
c. Please provide an image capture of the before and after, if possible.

Without any Manual, How To’s or FAQ, the database of these solved problems may go a long way to help each other.

Obviously, this is a palliative solution. As you indicated this must not become another initiative from customers that vindicates Joomlart from its obligation to provide good manuals and working scripts.

Thanks,

Cornelio

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#254672

I’m for this idea. I’ve actually had more support from ‘regular’ users here than the JoomlArt mods and staff (and that is NOT an insult to them … seems to me they have too much work releasing two templates per month to properly service/support existing users, but then, that could be a whole other thread!).

If, between us, the users, we can create our own ‘user guide’ or even ‘bug fix guide’ I for one would be totally behind this. In fact, if we could ever produce a real installation guide as PDF and host it on one of our servers for the newcomers to download, I think it will save future users of Teline II (and possibly other JA templates) a great deal of time, money and stress!!

Personally, and again, this is not having a go at the JA staff, if it wasn’t for ‘regular’ users (Cornelio, VisiGod and many others), I’d have probably given up on Teline by now and taken another route altogether.

However, with their help (and I’m now just starting to be able to help others), I’m still positive and excited about the creation of my first JA and Joomla based site.

I just hope in the future, I can offer as much assistance to newcomers as the help I’ve been offered here by people with more experience than I.

Good luck Cornelio!

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#254709

<em>@questbg 60369 wrote:</em><blockquote>I’m for this idea. I’ve actually had more support from ‘regular’ users here than the JoomlArt mods and staff (and that is NOT an insult to them … seems to me they have too much work releasing two templates per month to properly service/support existing users, but then, that could be a whole other thread!).

If, between us, the users, we can create our own ‘user guide’ or even ‘bug fix guide’ I for one would be totally behind this. In fact, if we could ever produce a real installation guide as PDF and host it on one of our servers for the newcomers to download, I think it will save future users of Teline II (and possibly other JA templates) a great deal of time, money and stress!!

Personally, and again, this is not having a go at the JA staff, if it wasn’t for ‘regular’ users (Cornelio, VisiGod and many others), I’d have probably given up on Teline by now and taken another route altogether.

However, with their help (and I’m now just starting to be able to help others), I’m still positive and excited about the creation of my first JA and Joomla based site.

I just hope in the future, I can offer as much assistance to newcomers as the help I’ve been offered here by people with more experience than I.

Good luck Cornelio!</blockquote>

Thanks Chris,

Just remember that JA Teline II is really a good template but it has a long way to go before it can match the useful features (not whistles and bells) of professional online magazine-newspapers. I do not want to wait another year to have the next evolution of JA Teline III(?), I want it soon.

That is a direction that I hope to persuade the some of the members to consider. I have started doing a Joomlart website for this purpose before I took a sabbatical from Joomlart in early February because I was just so frustrated withe the upgrades to Joomla 1.5x at the time. Visit my reponse to:

daily rant
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/daily-rant/

because what we need is more than what Joomlart can offer us, even if the staff are the most well-intentioned in the world.

There is more that we can do, if we band together and realize that we can be more effective realizing our individual goals if we collaborate surmounting the challenges that confront us.

Cornelio

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#254718

Well, i am not quite sure whats going on here to be honest.
Im not a good poster so bear over with me:)

Teline 2, we was 4-5 people who tested this template in different enviroments(not with any specific 3rd party add ons that i know about).
We found bugs, reported in and they where fixed.
Enough said, why the heck release V1.0.1,V1.0.2,V1.0.3 when you have nothing to look after what is fixed and not?
I have requested that we need a log over things they have changed, didnt get anything yet.
Teline 1.0.2 came out with even more bugs.
Teline 1.0.3 came out and the bugs still popped up.
Not sure what people are doing but it must be something. If you are new to Joomla you will allways have problems until you have learned the basics.

The errors listed above here:
3,4,5, that is not a bug with the template that needs a fix.

Just remember:

9. SUPPORT: JA templates and products are delivered ‘as is’, with no implied meaning that they will function exactly as you wish or with all 3rd party extensions/products..

But as i have requested quite some time now and that is more time for test the templates before the official release.(IMPORTANT)
More time to get a proper user guide up and running.(IMPORTANT)
Before a new module is released we need more time for testing.

By get the three things above done, i belive less bugs related to templates/extensions will show up.
And while do 2 templates a month there is plenty of time to get a proper bug free template out.

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#254721

<em>@VisiGod 60434 wrote:</em><blockquote>Menalto are you idiot?
3,4,5 are not bugs?
Than what?

This only shows that you don’t respect your customers.</blockquote>
thanks for that.

3. Date handling – fix to use the Joomla! function (using it in different languages)
A: The date is working as it is, by using the Jtext you use the “core” joomla instead, i would not call this a bug
4. Fix of JA News to work with Joom!Fish and change of hardcoded text to JText in JA News.
A: Joomfish is a 3rd party add on, and read this here:

JA templates and products are delivered ‘as is’, with no implied meaning that they will function exactly as you wish or with all 3rd party extensions/products..

Hardcoded text is hardcoded, by changing it to Jtext you have a “easier” enviroment” to work with later on.
5. Changing of hardcoded texts to JText.
A: This is not a bug, its just a matter on how the developers do it.

IF you also have been around here for a while you would see i am not Joomlart.

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#254726

Begging your pardon, Menalto, but the date is not working correctly. I have the time zone set correctly for the locale of the website in global config. It was always a day ahead. I installed a clock module to see how it compared to Teline II. The date in Teline II is wrong. It seems to use server time to figure date, which is many hours ahead of locale time zone as chosen in global config.

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#254727

3. Date handling:
By hardcoding certain functions and making these work only in English, means it is a bug? Why? Because Joomla! is a international and not English software. If JA are not good enough to code their templates so the customers can use these with any language, sorry but you limit the option of the core itself.

4. Joom!Fish is not a 3PD add on, it is an official add on.

5. Well, it is the same to say that an PHP error is not a bug, but just a matter on how the developers do it.

I understand that “as is”, as well as the rest of the users. Therefore JA will lose their customers, because they don’t care about the bugs, even that is in the terms.
Beyond the terms of service, which justify the general freamework how the business operates, there is one thing called business ethic. This is the area where JA should work a lot.

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#254728

<em>@totalsuper 60443 wrote:</em><blockquote>Begging your pardon, Menalto, but the date is not working correctly. I have the time zone set correctly for the locale of the website in global config. It was always a day ahead. I installed a clock module to see how it compared to Teline II. The date in Teline II is wrong. It seems to use server time to figure date, which is many hours ahead of locale time zone as chosen in global config.</blockquote>

Is my proposed fix, solves that?

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#254731

The alleged advantage to buying into a premium template club is get quality not available in free product.

You desire to defend: “JA templates and products are delivered ‘as is’, with no implied meaning that they will function exactly as you wish or with all 3rd party extensions/products..” :confused:

I wish for JA Teline II to function correctly. The demo appears to function correctly, but that is mere window dressing. In real life, it does not happen that way. I buy into the club, and find people are not happy. Perhaps I should have bought iJoomla Magazine instead? :p And yet I am here now and invested in this process. >:(

I wish for JA Teline II to provide flexibility. It would be absurd to expect coders to anticipate all future desires of extension functionality. I do not ask for that. However, to provide for the extensibility of the template without hardcoded obstacles, that is a perfectly reasonable request.

A premium product should deliver to a standard which is superior to a free alternative. No? :((

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#254732

I remember a lection by a professor in Software Engineering.
He gave a lot of nice definitions of what is bug. Than he closed his speach with very interesting statement:
“The impossibility to turn off or change a feature without patch is my last definition of what bug is”

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