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do yourself a favor, unless it is imperative that you have to start a site soon, better hold off. Teline III is a more radical upgrade (makeover) of Teline II. Many design and layout issues, as well as scripting improvements have been addressed. Teline III also included a number of extensions that you may want.

Teline III is coming out soon. The beta version (not for website production but for testing) is coming out early September. The “stable version” if everything goes well is coming out in mid September, or thereabouts.

Teline III forum
http://www.joomlart.com/forums/forum/ja-teline-iii-v1/

Cornelio

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#315673

Thanks for the tips, Cornelio. You mentioned somewhere on another thread that you only use Teline. Is that what you use for all your sites, or just for a few? I’d be interested to know.

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<em>@sunrise 142469 wrote:</em><blockquote>Thanks for the tips, Cornelio. You mentioned somewhere on another thread that you only use Teline. Is that what you use for all your sites, or just for a few? I’d be interested to know.</blockquote>

Yes I do sunrise,

At least for the sites I created because most of the sites I wanted to create are information and image rich (they would require complex nested groupings and crosslinking). Even my personal pages or our family websites were based from extensive modification of the Demo Teline iI with many modules inactivated.

It is the Content that Matters

I have a very simple perspective about the role of templates. A good template is one way to organize content and provide an aesthetically good looking site.

This “look of the page” will help entice visitors. Eventually however it is the content that will matter to the visitors. For example, a typical Craigslist city website is one of the ugliest looking websites — not even enough images. However, Craigslist city websites are also among the most visited and the most profitable websites. In fact, Craigslist websites are considered one of the reasons why print papers or even online papers have been losing money.

I try not to forget the above, so I try to avoid using templates that are mostly whistles and bells.

The other key feature that I consider is Speed. I try to avoid placing stuff that may slow down a site.

Teline Series

I started with the original Teline because that was what was available then. I joined Joomlart because of the original Teline.

However, the second day of my becoming a member, one of my earliest post was a request for an information-rich template, lots of nested categories. The closest to that is a news-magazine template.

Actually, as I stated elsewhere, last year I tried to ask someone here who knows programming and scripting to help me create a core template based on a “modular concept”.

My idea is very simple. All templates come from a very few basic designs and have as its basic frameworks — header, body and footer. These can be subdivided further. Just like a house, the basic frameworks may be subdivided, just like rooms of a house but are less rigid as the basic frameworks. It is the collection of set of furniture and other contents that create the character of each “room”. You can change the character of each room by moving the furniture and contents around.

In a sense, then, if you relate the above basic ideas into templates, if you consider the set of furniture and specific contents to be the equivalent of “modules” you can create an infinite varitaion of templates simply by moving the modules around.

If you look at Leggo sets, you can build any structure you want from a simple number of basic Leggo structures. This is true also with the basic modular layouts in template.

The trick therefore to creating dynamic templates with infinite variations would be to identify the minimum number of “basic modular layouts” to use. Write the scripts for those basic modular layout to define the minimum number of CSS tags too. Just like the leggo set, if you are imaginative enough, you can create almost infinite number of templates, with just those few modular layouts.

That is for the layout which may then be populated with contents.

It was amazing that Hung had similar ideas incorporated in the “JA Template Framework”

Contents Relationships

The relationships of the contents — their groups into major groups and sub groups and sub-subgroups, or the topical crosslinking of contents based on subject, authorship(s), timeline, geographic grouping, etc. are more complex. Teline II has attempted to address some of these grouping via the “menu” and the Section-Categories relationships.

In reality, a single article has multiple groupings though. For example, an article about the death of Edward Kennedy can be placed in so many categories. In contrast, in Joomla, an article may be placed in only one default grouping (categorization).

This is one limitation of Teline II. There are others I outlined elsewhere.

I am not sure if these inherent limitations were addressed in Teline III. It will require a radical rewrite in the scripts to achieve this, among others. Among those that attempted to do that are applications like Jxtended Magazine.

I am trying to find a way to address the integration of the features of Jxtended Magazine with Teline III.

Cornelio

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Thanks, Cornelio, for taking the time to answer so thoroughly. I am really looking forward to Teline III or maybe we should just call it T3 for short. I like the the things you write about simplicity as well.

Best wishes, Sunrise.

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<em>@sunrise 142550 wrote:</em><blockquote>Thanks, Cornelio, for taking the time to answer so thoroughly. I am really looking forward to Teline III or maybe we should just call it T3 for short. I like the the things you write about simplicity as well.

Best wishes, Sunrise.</blockquote>

sunrise,

Since I do not have webdesign and programming background and experience, I find it more effective to get to know just one or a few templates, so that I can modify it or understand what might was not working properly, if something goes awry.

Cornelio

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#316265

Demo of JA Teline III [/url]
http://templates.joomlart.com/ja_teline_iii/

In a week or two, the initial download should be out also. So, if you just started your site, or thinking of creating a site using Teline II, it is better to wait for Teline III to come out.

Supposedly, its scripting is based from an optimized “JA Template Framework” which is implemented properly optimizes presentation based on modularization of scripts and layout. Moreover, based from the Demo, there are so many related extensions that you would normally get from third parties. The added bonus here is that the integrated extensions have been optimized for the look and feel of the Teline series.

Cornelio

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#316282

I wonder how difficult it will be to upgrade a Teline II site to Teline III (assuming that no changes have been made to the Teline II PHP code)?

I suppose that the configuration for JA Frontpage, JA News, main menu, spotlight, etc. have to be re-done in the Teline III configuration, is this accurate?

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<em>@directcorrespondentlender 143219 wrote:</em><blockquote>I wonder how difficult it will be to upgrade a Teline II site to Teline III (assuming that no changes have been made to the Teline II PHP code)?

I suppose that the configuration for JA Frontpage, JA News, main menu, spotlight, etc. have to be re-done in the Teline III configuration, is this accurate?</blockquote>

From the format of the JA News (it is called JA News2), there are many changes in the script. This was partly in response to some of my suggestions on the weaknesses of the previous JA News. I wish they adopted it also for the format of the Sections, but it looks they retained the previous format.

There are many revisions also in the JA Frontpage News. Many revisions actually. You will like them though.

I have a post in the big “Preview” thread:

Birthing a new child (#102)

http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showpost.php?p=143226&postcount=102

on how you may prepare your contents from Teline II to be compatible for Teline III. The key is to have parallel paralle URL format, especially for the images.

And, avoid internal URL links in the articles. This will make life easier. Unfortunately, I have a number of sites with many internal URLs. So, I may have to start anew on those. Quite extensive site too.

Cornelio

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#316292

Internal URLS will work the same from template to template so I foresee no problems there. An image path with one template will be the exact same in any other template.

The main problems swaping from 2 to 3 will be the differences in positions. Some positions will have the same name but be in totally different locations and some positions from 2 won’t be in 3 at all. Plus…. the positions will have completely different stylings and dimensions.

Experienced Joomla users will have no problems migrating but I think others will struggle. Remember this template will also be using JoomlArts new ‘layout.php’ template system … so it won’t be a simple case of adjusting the index.php to suit.

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Thanks for responding to this Scotty,

<em>@scotty 143230 wrote:</em><blockquote>
An image path with one template will be the exact same in any other template.</blockquote>

I found a simple solution for this: Just make sure that the nested directory locations (and directory names) of the images are the same for the two.

<em>@scotty 143230 wrote:</em><blockquote>Internal URLS will work the same from template to template so I foresee no problems there. </blockquote>

This is where I am stumped when it comes to articles. I tried to use no-SEO internal URL thinking that it won’t be “unique” irrespective of where it was moved. For example:

The Philippine Islands 1493-1898 : Historical Introduction

http://likas-pilipinas.org/0100/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=193:-the-philippine-islands-1493-1898-historical-introduction&catid=80:the-philippine-islands-vol-01--1493-1529&Itemid=180

the internal URL would be:

index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=193:-the-philippine-islands-1493-1898-historical-introduction&catid=80:the-philippine-islands-vol-01--1493-1529&Itemid=180

as you can see, there are three key IDs

1. article ID
2. category ID
3. item ID

Unless all the IDs match up (as well as the name alias), what I found in a much simpler site was that the internal URL will point to another article. For this to happen, I must ensure also that the sequence of the article IDs, category IDs and item IDs are identical for the two databases. While I started with a master plan for the sections and the categories, at some point there were deviations in the master nested orders — because of errors (duplication of categiories or last minute insertion of categories.

What can be done to ensure that the above IDs will be identical? Is there a migration tool that can be used for this?

I kept to a minimum the number of hyperlinks ih this site to avoid the problem. But, it would involve less work in the long run if I add the common hyperlinks, like the navigation links to go from one article to another, from part of a book to another and from one volume to another, as referred to in the articles.

<em>@scotty 143230 wrote:</em><blockquote>
The main problems swaping from 2 to 3 will be the differences in positions. Some positions will have the same name but be in totally different locations and some positions from 2 won’t be in 3 at all. Plus…. the positions will have completely different stylings and dimensions.</blockquote>

I think I can deal with this, even if there are changes in the scripts and positions. I just have to find the boundaries of each “position layout” in a nested setting.

<em>@scotty 143230 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Experienced Joomla users will have no problems migrating but I think others will struggle. Remember this template will also be using JoomlArts new ‘layout.php’ template system … so it won’t be a simple case of adjusting the index.php to suit.</blockquote>

I have to wait what complication this will introduce. The added complication here is that we are going to integrate the Jxtended Magazine to the Teline III. If successful, according to instantinlaw, it is 100x more complex that iJoomla Magazine. It will affect the relationships of the Sections, categories and articles.

Cornelio

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