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[yazou Friend yazouJoin date: November 2006Posts: 15Downloads:0Uploads:1]

#132748

Hello,
My website : http://www.mediaterranee.com
The page weight is around 94 ko, wich is amazing for a webpage (supposed to weight around 30 ko)
What is wrong with this template ? Please help
regards
Yaz

[w3bars Friend w3barsJoin date: July 2008Posts: 34Downloads:0Uploads:1 Thanks: 2 Thanked: 3 times in 1 posts]

#267982

The site isn’t working. “Address not found”

[yazou Friend yazouJoin date: November 2006Posts: 15Downloads:0Uploads:1]

#267994

i got 20 visitors online right now…and entered 2 articles..could you check again.
I got 2 other issues :
mod_ja_catslwi.php does not seem to work on explorer
the main menu on the top as well.. no dropdown men showed. On firefox it is fine
Please help me for that as well.
I am using your template with joomla 1.0.15
thanx

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#267995

Did you enter the correct address here? Try clicking on it.

http://www.mediaterranee.com/

[yazou Friend yazouJoin date: November 2006Posts: 15Downloads:0Uploads:1]

#267998

i clicked and the page opened minute after…Here is a link :
http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&rlz=1B3GGGL_enEG224EG224&q=www.mediaterranee.com%2F&btnG=Rechercher&meta=

it is google search results, it give you the weight as well
thanks

[w3bars Friend w3barsJoin date: July 2008Posts: 34Downloads:0Uploads:1 Thanks: 2 Thanked: 3 times in 1 posts]

#268001

Sorry, but I still can’t open it, also I can’t open google.fr. Maybe my ISP is blocking or maybe somebody else is blocking. Don’t know. Sorry that I didn’t help you. Maybe somebody else can help you. Wish you luck with solving this problem.

[yazou Friend yazouJoin date: November 2006Posts: 15Downloads:0Uploads:1]

#268003

<em>@w3bars 76721 wrote:</em><blockquote>Sorry, but I still can’t open it, also I can’t open google.fr. Maybe my ISP is blocking or maybe somebody else is blocking. Don’t know. Sorry that I didn’t help you. Maybe somebody else can help you. Wish you luck with solving this problem.

Best regards
w3bars.com</blockquote>
ok thanks for trying, hope somebody else can help
regards
yaz

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#268033

Do you have some other extensions installed? Do you enabled Legacy mode? If so try disable all plugins one by one, to look which causes problem. My website with images is smaller.

[migors Friend migorsJoin date: December 2007Posts: 129Downloads:0Uploads:19 Thanks: 33 Thanked: 3 times in 1 posts]

#268034

I think some scrip causes this problem
<blockquote>#
Domain name Size Load Time Average Speed per KB
1 http://www.mediaterranee.com/ 94.47 KB 13.03 seconds 0.14 seconds
2 domalaukums.lv 50.6 KB 2.2 seconds 0.04 seconds</blockquote>

[yazou Friend yazouJoin date: November 2006Posts: 15Downloads:0Uploads:1]

#268046

Hello,
Concerning the legacy mode, i am not sure it is relevent, because the joomla version is 1.0.15
Concerning the script, i got no idea on what can cause this, i have the analytics and another javanscript code in the footer, for the stats…
I have another module that may slows the site, it is the cloud tag module coupled with the tag mambot grabbing the keywords of the articles. I got many compoentns installed but they are not running for the moment. I don ‘t know if this has an effect on the size of the page.
Joomcomments is also installed and running
For the front i am diplaying both ja news and ja news_fp on a static page…with {moslaodposition …}
So the front page it is a static articles with the modules loeaded in it.I did this because publishing them in the positions quoted in the user manual did not work for me (very weird but i don’t know).
regards
yaz

[yazou Friend yazouJoin date: November 2006Posts: 15Downloads:0Uploads:1]

#268049

I used web analysis tool but i am surprised to see the results :
<blockquote>Analysis and Recommendations

* TOTAL_HTML – Congratulations, the total number of HTML files on this page (including the main HTML file) is 1 which most browsers can multithread. Minimizing HTTP requests is key for web site optimization.
* TOTAL_OBJECTS – Warning! The total number of objects on this page is 115 – consider reducing this to a more reasonable number. Combine, refine, and optimize your external objects. Replace graphic rollovers with CSS rollovers to speed display and minimize HTTP requests.
* TOTAL_IMAGES – Warning! The total number of images on this page is 86 , consider reducing this to a more reasonable number. Combine, refine, and optimize your graphics. Replace graphic rollovers with CSS rollovers to speed display and minimize HTTP requests.
* TOTAL_CSS – Warning! The total number of external CSS files on this page is 12 , consider reducing this to one or two external files. Combine, refine, and optimize your external CSS files. Ideally you should have one (or even embed CSS for high-traffic pages) on your pages.
* TOTAL_SIZE – Warning! The total size of this page is 621727 bytes, which will load in 146.91 seconds on a 56Kbps modem. Consider reducing total page size to less than 30K to achieve sub eight second response times on 56K connections. Pages over 100K exceed most attention thresholds at 56Kbps, even with feedback. Consider contacting us about our optimization services.
* TOTAL_SCRIPT – Warning! The total number of external script files on this page is 16 , consider reducing this to a more reasonable number. Combine, refine, and optimize your external script files. Ideally you should have one (or even embed scripts for high-traffic pages) on your pages.
* HTML_SIZE – Caution. The total size of this HTML file is 94971 bytes, which is above 20K but below 100K. With a 10K ad and a logo this means that your page will load in over 8.6 seconds. Consider optimizing your HTML and eliminating unnecessary features. To give your users feedback, consider layering your page or using positioning to display useful content within the first two seconds.
* IMAGES_SIZE – Warning! The total size of your images is 93816 bytes, which is over 30K. Consider optimizing your images for size, combining them, and replacing graphic rollovers with CSS.
* SCRIPT_SIZE – Warning! The total size of external your scripts is 370531 bytes, which is over 8K. Consider optimizing your scripts for size, combining them, and using compression where appropriate for any scripts placed in the HEAD of your documents.
* CSS_SIZE – Warning! The total size of your external CSS is 62409 bytes, which is over 8K. Consider optimizing your CSS for size by eliminating whitespace, using shorthand notation, and combining multiple CSS files where appropriate.
* MULTIM_SIZE – Congratulations, the total size of all your external multimedia files is 0 bytes, which is less than 4K. </blockquote>

[cgc0202 Friend cgc0202Join date: August 2007Posts: 2244Downloads:0Uploads:3 Thanks: 206 Thanked: 262 times in 1 posts]

#268078

This is not exclusive of Teline but many templates that are adapted for Joomla 1.0x or Joomla 1.5.x.

Bloated scripts

For example, in the Joomla 1.5.x version, that single line in the footer — sitename, copyright and Designed by Joomlart — requires a gazilion files found in several locations and in nested files. I hacked the footer, for example, and replaced the footer “statement” with appropriate scripts not requiring the “footer” module, and other related files and directories in the template, and this improved the page presentation speed a bit.

Optimization of other sections could do the same. I just do not know how to do them yet.

Too many gifs
If you looked at the analysis, most of the images in the analysis are CSS images. However, small they are, they require http fetch, slowing the process. If these gifs are replaced by simple scripts, for example, “red” instead of a “red.gif”, many of those CSS related images would not be needed, and improves the speed.

Too many CSS
Any process that will require you to collect information from different places and then integrate and process them elsewhere again slows the whole presentation. Think of opening many rooms, cabinets in those different rooms, drawers and folders, etc., and you get the picture.

As noted in the analysis, the CSS found all over the place contributes to the slow presentation. It is possible for example to integrate the files in the css directory in the ja_teline_ii:

templates => ja_teline_ii => css files

or an integrated css for the css files in the system

templates => system => css files

to improve presentation of a page. I am not sure yet, if it is possible to create a grand integrated CSS. There must be a way.

3rd party modules

The ability of Joomla to integrate third party modules so easily provides flexibility and customizability, at the same time this contributes to the problems indicated above. This is compounded by our tendency as users to attempt to include so many of these “whistles and bells” in the Homepage.

What we must ask, as web creators: Will visitors be enticed to come back because of all these features? Or, is the speed issue to ope a page become a stumbling block?

Cornelio

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#268079

it is the fact that joomla does offer all of this functionality that makes it so attractive as a platform and site architecture.

add to the above statements another prevaling issue with any open source platform

not just the platform but the components, mods, plugins and such are provided by a community of individuals with varying skill levels for development. Many components and modules are suspect as to the quality of the coding. This also creates bloat, errors, and incompatibility with other components and modules

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#268085

Thanks guys for your replies. What was making my page incredibly heavy was the news module. When i unpublished it, i dcreased the weight from 90 ko to 27 ko…I think it is matter of settings, i wanted to put all the sections in the news module (for seo purposes, to allow them to be integrated quickly by the crawlers), it was not a good idea, i need to look at my setting again.
I just wanted one more advice, do you think it is worth of to migrate to joomla 1.5 if i am using joomlart templates or extensions ?
Thanks guys.
yaz

[cgc0202 Friend cgc0202Join date: August 2007Posts: 2244Downloads:0Uploads:3 Thanks: 206 Thanked: 262 times in 1 posts]

#268089

That is true, extensions like videos take so much diskspace. If you looked at the analysis also, you will find that some template-related images are missing.

Depending on how the scripts were written, as MJ has pointed out, it forces the “integrator” to keep on looking — before a page is presented. If you read some optimization articles, Google or many professional CMS finds a way to present page content, even if the others are still catching up.

On Joomla 1.5.x

Check the related thread discussions here on recent developments that Joomlart has instituted, for example the one posted by MJ. I used Joomla1.0x-Teline II exclusively until the later part of July 2008. Many of the critical errors associated with Joomla 1.5.x-Teline II has been resolved, so I have begun shifting to Joomla 1.5.x-Teline II.

Optimization. My great concern with Joomla 1.5.x-JA Templates (including Teline II) is that they are very slow, partly because of Joomla 1.5.x and partly because of the scripting used in JA Templates for Joomla1.5.x

If you compare these two sites for example:

http://joomla-university.org/jte15x010/
http://joomla.bayanihan-saranay.com/jte15x098/

which do you think will load faster?

Both are Joomla 1.5.6-Teline II, same server but different domains (I will create related sites where they will be in the same domain and server).

Note that the first one

http://joomla-university.org/jte15x010/

many of the features that tend to slow the site were inactivated — Video, You tube, Hot Topic, media, etc., and not too many images too because it had been very slow. The site still too slow for my taste, and this issue had to be addressed by optimization.

The second one, a Sanbox (testing) site

http://joomla.bayanihan-saranay.com/jte15x098/

while a number of the features that tend to slow the site have been removed, it is still includes many images, and in fact has two Hot Topic modules.

After you have chosen one, compare them out here:

http://www.selfseo.com/website_speed_test.php

The total sizes are almost the same, around 44.68 KB based from the aforementioned speed test link but the load time difference in load speed can be as high as 13 fold (one site was more than 10 seconds), when the internet is busy or just a fraction of a second when it is faster.

You might be surprised which is faster.

However, sometimes load speed even reverses or comparable, when the load time is only a matter of a second or so for both (higher margin of error). The latter reversion suggest that load speed are affected by a number of factors depending on the internet backbone traffic.

This speed test site:

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/index.html

provides less difference in speed — both are smuch lower(??) even at T1 connections — but it is not possible to perform head to head, simultaneous speed testing. The latter site though provides some insights on what makes Joomla 1.5.x-Teline II, so very very very slow. This includes comparison at different modem speeds — a critical consideration because many parts of the world still use 56kb modems or at best ISDN speeds.

Heck, if I did not create the websites myself, to test Joomla 1.5.x-Teline II, I do not think I would visit again, no matter how good the content is (well at least in the future) — because not too many people would waste their time for a slow page to show up.

Cornelio

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