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#559398

I have just read it in blog too, very very disturbing, not usefull template if it wont be responsive, with many heavy duty news sites going responsive, teline is going other way, going to the past in tech… not cool and might be that many people wont use it due to that fact. Are you trying to undermind the great template?

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#559400

<em>@splico123 458553 wrote:</em><blockquote>I have just read it in blog too, very very disturbing, not usefull template if it wont be responsive, with many heavy duty news sites going responsive, teline is going other way, going to the past in tech… not cool and might be that many people wont use it due to that fact. Are you trying to undermind the great template?</blockquote>

^ matter of opinion

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#559401

Yes, I was very surprised when I read this today. Check it out and see what you think:

http://www.joomlart.com/blog/news-updates/what-s-new-in-ja-teline-v:

5. Responsive

In this beta version, JA Teline V is mainly optimized for desktop version, responsive is not fully supported. There will be a dedicated mobile solution in place.

Roadmap after beta

• Dedicated Mobile solution: Why not Responsive? This relates to the performance optimization. we are working on a dedicated mobile solution to avoid the responsive drawback when rendering unused content on mobile.
• Typo builder: a tool to add and manage rich content

Friends, please tell your thoughts in the comment section! Teline V is almost here!

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#559403

<em>@TomC 458555 wrote:</em><blockquote>^ matter of opinion</blockquote> If you really think that then you should not be working with advanced tech in web development… the fact is people want responsive, web is going towards responsive on daily basis. just look at the number of big name sites who are moving that way… why would then people go away from it.

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#559404

in any case if joomlart is moving away from responsive back to the stoneage of mobile specific templates, that is bad move. it is not an opinion it is a fact how things are on the web.

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#559405

<em>@splico123 458558 wrote:</em><blockquote>If you really think that then you should not be working with advanced tech in web development… the fact is people want responsive, web is going towards responsive on daily basis. just look at the number of big name sites who are moving that way… why would then people go away from it.</blockquote>

Not sure how you might have missed this tidbit of info . . . .

In this beta version, JA Teline V is mainly optimized for desktop version, responsive is not fully supported. There will be a dedicated mobile solution in place.

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#559406

that either needs more explanation or it is what it reads, mobile solution – mobile specific template that comes along with desktop one, thats what it sounds like.

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#559407

<em>@TomC 458555 wrote:</em><blockquote>^ matter of opinion</blockquote>

Tom,

I think it is a good idea for JoomlArt to make the best argument possible for this decision. Personally I have some clients that previously use JA Teline IV and want a fresh redesign and want to use JA Teline V. They also really want responsive. Now, I just got them to purchase the JoomlArt templates and extensions club (I have been away a few years) and I am going to have to explain to them about how we didn’t just waste their time and their money. So, I am looking for what you all believe is the benefits so I can share those. Otherwise they will want to send me looking for some other solution elsewhere and maybe I will have to eat the JoomlArt subscription fees.

So, now you know why I am asking for an explanation. I believe a LOT of people are going to want the same thing. Most of us lived in a world previously where templates were not responsive and their were special mobile solutions. It was NOT, in those bygone days, a pretty solution. But, you all appear to believe it is going to be a good solution. So, please try to convince us! 🙂

Thanks, Sean

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#559408

<em>@scarney 458562 wrote:</em><blockquote>Tom,

I think it is a good idea for JoomlArt to make the best argument possible for this decision. Personally I have some clients that previously use JA Teline IV and want a fresh redesign and want to use JA Teline V. They also really want responsive. Now, I just got them to purchase the JoomlArt templates and extensions club (I have been away a few years) and I am going to have to explain to them now we didn’t just waste their time and their money. So, I am looking for what you all believe is the benefits so I can share those. Otherwise they will want to send me looking for something else and maybe I will have to eat the subscription fees.

So, now you know why I am asking for an explanation. I believe a LOT of people are going to want the same thing.

Most of us lived in a world previously where templates were not responsive and their were special mobile solutions. It was NOT, in those bygone days, a pretty solution. But, you all appear to believe it is going to be a good solution. So, please try to convince us! 🙂

Thanks, Sean</blockquote>Totally agree with this, if it is what we think by reading it, then its very very bad idea on joomlart part.

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#559409

<em>@scarney 458562 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Most of us lived in a world previously where templates were not responsive and their were special mobile solutions. It was NOT, in those bygone days, a pretty solution. But, you all appear to believe it is going to be a good solution. So, please try to convince us! 🙂

Thanks, Sean</blockquote>

How about we see what the JA Development Team presents first – insofar as the dedicated mobile version – before blanketly condemning/rejecting such. Seems a reasonable request, don’tcha think?

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#559410

<em>@TomC 458564 wrote:</em><blockquote>How about we see what the JA Development Team presents first – insofar as the dedicated mobile version – before blanketly condemning/rejecting such. Seems a reasonable request, don’tcha think?</blockquote>If it is dedicated mobile solution as it sounds then we have full right to condemn and dismiss template as a whole. dont you think? most of us here that are customers want steps forward and not backward :p that is the whole point.

but lets see what they bring out tomorrow.

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#559411

<em>@splico123 458565 wrote:</em><blockquote>If it is dedicated mobile solution as it sounds then we have full right to condemn and dismiss template as a whole. dont you think? most of us here that are customers want steps forward and not backward :p that is the whole point.</blockquote>

Respectfully agree to disagree . . . I do not feel it fair nor productive to blanketly reject/condemn the product before the opportunity to evaluate it upon it’s official release. How would you feel if people started to put down a product you were working on prior to you being afforded the opportunity to release the actual product – both desktop and mobile? I suspect you wouldn’t feel it a fair movement.

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#559412

<em>@TomC 458564 wrote:</em><blockquote>How about we see what the JA Development Team presents first – insofar as the dedicated mobile version – before blanketly condemning/rejecting such. Seems a reasonable request, don’tcha think?</blockquote>

Yes, Tom, this idea sounds good. I want to see it for sure!
And… now that you are seeing how quickly people are reacting about the “Not Responsive” template idea how about if JoomlArt tries to head this one off at the pass by providing some justifications that we can share. This does seem like a radical step backwards. Show us how it is a step forwards! We have been surprised before! 🙂

Hopefully this is a good move on the part of JoomlArt! But, for the moment I am a bit in shock!

Sean

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#559413

<em>@TomC 458566 wrote:</em><blockquote>Respectfully agree to disagree . . . I don’t feel it fair nor productive to blanketly reject/condemn the product before the opportunity to evaluate it upon it’s release. How would you feel people started to put down a product you were working on prior to you being afforded the opportunity to release the actual product – both desktop and mobile? I suspect you wouldn’t feel it a fair movement.</blockquote>actually at company we encourage that way, because that makes product better and stops it from being released as a FAILURE. and that is why we have these forums, because people here are to help make things/products better, and i am sorry if you dont see this, but that is what most of us do here, we criticize things so things get better, get changed and adopted in ways most will like it. It is not dismissal at all, and if you see it that way than i think you might look for another job mate, since the forum is the best way for any company to get an opinion or a look at how people might respond to things you/we/anyone is making, changing, upgrading, or in this case building.

That is why JA have made these things, among support etc… this is where we should be doing what we are all doiong, those of us that write here. it is called constructive criticism and you should take it as such, where we as paying customers see things that can be done before product is released. AND SPECIALLY then since there is huge number of templates that JA has to maintain, so this is where they can read to make them better from start, which in the end means less work on upgrades, even though we all know that those upgrades wont come most probably, like in many templates in past.

So tthat is why we are here, and that is why we take time to write, to voice an opinion and give examples if we can.

and we expect JA to at least acknowledge or respond to some of them. That is the basis of every PR.

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#559416

<em>@TomC 458566 wrote:</em><blockquote> How would you feel if people started to put down a product you were working on prior to you being afforded the opportunity to release the actual product – both desktop and mobile? I suspect you wouldn’t feel it a fair movement.</blockquote>

I agree to disagree. The difference is we paid for the product already, and knowing that most commenters have been waiting for a responsive Teline template. A day before release we’re told this. That’s low.

I’ll await the release before commenting further, but if Joomlart is taking a step backwards instead of forward, and ignoring the wishes of the paid subscriber community that supports it, then it’s time to move on. We compete with others, just like Joomlart competes for template subscribers. If the product is more complicated and requires more configuration to get it to work, or duplication of code and layouts then its inferior to what is available.

Also isn’t T3 designed to handle this? Is that not the purpose of its implementation into Joomla sites. If not why are we using it?

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