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[Heng CHeong Kum Friend Heng CHeong KumJoin date: September 2014Posts: 43Downloads:0Uploads:9 Thanks: 10 Thanked: 5 times in 1 posts]

#130022

Serious issue, I am having the Main Menu, User6, User7 all drop below the Ja-News. It should be on the right.

This happens after I use the ‘Front Page Manager’ at the “Section” menu.

Here is a screen shot, or can be view now at http://www.bestino.biz/v1

Anyone know how I can fix it? I already tried un-install the janew-fp module and re-install, but it doesn’t change anything.

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[Menalto Friend MenaltoJoin date: May 2007Posts: 4736Downloads:0Uploads:43 Thanks: 2 Thanked: 531 times in 361 posts]

#255425

Have you done any modifications to the template itself?

[Heng CHeong Kum Friend Heng CHeong KumJoin date: September 2014Posts: 43Downloads:0Uploads:9 Thanks: 10 Thanked: 5 times in 1 posts]

#255434

No modification done. It happens when I went to use the Front Page Manager at the Section Menu. I just click on the 2nd item to more a step to the top. And it went haywire. I really have no idea.

:-[

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#255438

btw, this only happens to the HOME. Other menu it is fine.

HOME is the frontpage section and should be something to do with Janews_FP, I presume.

[grillmaster Friend grillmasterJoin date: May 2008Posts: 6Downloads:0Uploads:0]

#255556

I have the same problem and I haven’t changed anything in the css or the module, not to mention that I get bold text sometimes when I am not using bold text in the article and it really screws everything up.
Take a look http://www.grillinggourmet.com
Any help please, or is this to diffilcult?
The Grillmaster

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#255617

<em>@baboonbaboon 61295 wrote:</em><blockquote>btw, this only happens to the HOME. Other menu it is fine.

HOME is the frontpage section and should be something to do with Janews_FP, I presume.</blockquote>

Hi baboonbaboon,

First your site takes forever to load that is an issue that you have to address because people won’t stick long, if they have to wait a minute to move from one page to another.

I assume your site is Joomla 1.53. There could be several things, obviously you did some stuff as your page does not have the Demo articles anymore.

In another thread, I was able to duplicate an error like this by copying and pasting the problem article from another customer. The only away I was able to remove the culprit was to remove all the tags or mark ups — and I was able to restore my site, like the Demo.

This finding suggest that it is not the Joomla or the template that was the culprit, but what we did after.

This is very difficult to resolve because it might not have been caused by any scripting problem in Joomla 1.5x or the template.

If you copied and pasted from one site to your current page, you might have inadvertently copied or not copied the complete beginning and end of a script mark up. If you are familiar with table layouts:

<table><tr><td></td></tr></table>

You miss or add any one of those tags, without the correspondng closing tag and it can cause the problem that showed. It only requires one such addition or omission in one of the Front Page article to wreck havoc to your site.

This may explain why you do not observe this in the “other” pages. You can test this by upublishing all and systematically publish the Home Page content again — but this will take forever.

I understand that there is a FireFox option that will test whether you have proper markups.

Cornelio

Notes:

I believe instead of tabs, the layout of Joomlart uses


<div></div>
<span></span>
and related mark ups


but the concept is the same

1 user says Thank You to cgc0202 for this useful post

1. Heng CHeong Kum

[Heng CHeong Kum Friend Heng CHeong KumJoin date: September 2014Posts: 43Downloads:0Uploads:9 Thanks: 10 Thanked: 5 times in 1 posts]

#255705

cgc0202, many thanks.

I found the culprit as you advice. I unpublished the article that I moved using the Section – FrontPage Manager. And wola…it goes normal now :laugh:

Just to share:
I remove all article from being on Front Page, but it does not help.
Then I un-publish the most recent article I re-position using the Front Page Manager, and things went back to normal.

I guess, never use that Front Page Manager to re-organize the article in Frontpage, there should be other ways to organize it.

Basically, all articles in it, I type there, not copied. Not using any HTML editor too. As I am trying to get familiar without using my Dreamweaver. Want to use the build-in editor as later I will need to teach other people how to use the build-in editor to post articles.

I am halfway building this site for a client of mine. And I hope I don’t come across anymore issues, I already missed the deadline.

Also, thanks for letting me know, it takes forever to load. Problem is my client wanted to host this site elsewhere rather than the one I recommended. And this server is hosting 86+ domains. If you are in the US, I think it will be slow, as my country, Malaysia connection to the US lately is very slow.

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#255715

Bad…..

now whenever, i add the Read More, the problems come again…

Anyone have any idea how to solve it?

[cgc0202 Friend cgc0202Join date: August 2007Posts: 2244Downloads:0Uploads:3 Thanks: 206 Thanked: 262 times in 1 posts]

#255727

If this is a commercial site, tell your client that people now would stop visiting slow sites. So, the client must decide — visitors who will not come back or spend the extra bucks.

<em>@baboonbaboon 61610 wrote:</em><blockquote>Bad…..

now whenever, i add the Read More, the problems come again…

Anyone have any idea how to solve it?</blockquote>

Quite a few users of Joomla 1.5x version have reported this problem — you can see from the number of posts with variations on this. And, this will persists until you find the reason — it could be veery simple, actuallly.

Remember, a dirty spark plug can prevent a care from running. But, unless you find out that it was the spark plug that caused the problem, our car will not run. Same here.

Is there any compelling reason why you have to create this website with Joomla 1.5x?

The Joomla 1.0x -JA Teline II is much much more stable, and I have

Many many good websites — including the sites you want to created have been created before Joomla 1.5x/ You should learn Joomla 1.5x but if you have these problems right now, it wil impede you from creating a good website.

Always remember — it is the content and how you present them that matter. That will be what the visitors will care, they would not knwo nor care whether you created it in Joomla 1.5x or Joomla 1.0x

My feeling is, if the site is not as stable as it is now — a bad layout happening at the drop of a hat — your client would not trust you anymore. [I would not, if I hired you and the site is down because of problems like this.[ The client may not avail of your services again, in the future.

Just be upfront with your client that you chose one over the other. And, if you choose Joomla 1.0x, tell the client why you chose that and there might be a need in the future to upgrade to Joomla 1.5x. but that might not even be necessary.

Just a thought.

Cornelio

I just set up a version of the Joomla1.0x-JA Teline II for their class website of a group of senior citizens — most are past their 60’s. Many were afraid to touch a computer just a few months ago. But, they like the Shout Box that I set up for them early this year, now they use it for their regular chats during the weekend. And, they have warmed up to the idea of interacting in the internet.

They like the latest version of the website.

I gave brief instructions (over the phone) to one of them tonight on how to upload stuff, as an Admin. She has no experience with what we do. But, so far she has not mess up the site. 🙂 Knock on wood.

And she is quite eager to post more.

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#255740

cgc0202

Thanks. 😀 if my client doesn’t want to shift, I have no choice, advice already been given.

I tried to mess around again just now, I realized that whenever I do text ‘justify’ and add the ‘Read More’, the problem will occur.

Maybe I would port back to v1.0 if this v1.5 giving so much headache…….

If I insert the ‘read more’ without text justify, then everything is fine…. hmmmmm:confused:

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#255873

<em>@baboonbaboon 61638 wrote:</em><blockquote>cgc0202

Thanks. 😀 if my client doesn’t want to shift, I have no choice, advice already been given.

I tried to mess around again just now, I realized that whenever I do text ‘justify’ and add the ‘Read More’, the problem will occur.

Maybe I would port back to v1.0 if this v1.5 giving so much headache…….

If I insert the ‘read more’ without text justify, then everything is fine…. hmmmmm:confused:</blockquote>

Issues like this seems to be common and anyone who can help debug will be very helpful to everyone.

I speculated about the possible chance that this could be a case of meta-instability based from your observation that it happens in the front page but not the full article: See my response here:

http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/urgent-front-page-a-real-mess/

about my hypothesis on meta-instability.

Cornelio

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#255907

It looks to me that there are real big problems with this emplate and module positions.
To try and dismiss those as ‘1.5 problems and you shouldn’t be using 1.5.x seriously anyway’ is so much crap.
Why is Joomlart releasing templates in 1.5 format in the first instance then ?
Either we embrace 1.5.x or we don’t.
Joomlart has been unequivocal in this respect; 1.5.x is the priority.
Teline II has the potential to be one of the greatest Joomla templates of all time, right now it is crippled by unresolved bugs and a templeate house that appears not to care.

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#255927

<em>@eddiet 61848 wrote:</em><blockquote>It looks to me that there are real big problems with this emplate and module positions.
To try and dismiss those as ‘1.5 problems and you shouldn’t be using 1.5.x seriously anyway’ is so much crap.
</blockquote>

This is a matter of perspective. Obviously, if you have the proper background and do your assignment Joomla 1.5 works. This is evidenced by quite a number of posts here with problems that were easily resolved by some who have the background.

If you read the many posts, quite a few of the problems are user induced problems, this has been conceded by the original poster here. By reversing his action, the correct format is restored.

<em>@eddiet 61848 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Why is Joomlart releasing templates in 1.5 format in the first instance then ?
Either we embrace 1.5.x or we don’t.
</blockquote>

Because that is what everybody think they wanted. Many many good Joomla sites were created before Joomla 1.5x. There were four versions — 1.50, 1.51, 1.52, 1.53 — of Joomla, sometimes in a span of a few days since its release because of bugs. Who is to say that the Joomla 1.53 is so-called stable and bug free?

In fact, as I have shown in a clean Joomla 1.5.3 (posted here), many of the problems attributed to the JA Teline template but were actually due to Joola 1.5.3

Joomla 1.0.xx has been evolving for years now, and yet there are still bugs and security leaks being discovered. But, compared to Joomla 1.5.x, the updates due to bugs have slowed and some of them are mostly security leaks.

<em>@eddiet 61848 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Joomlart has been unequivocal in this respect; 1.5.x is the priority.
</blockquote>

No question that it should, but they have been prudent to retract their 1.5x only and included Joomla 1.0x because people like me, who do not have scripting background found more confidence with the more stable Joomla 1.0x. More important, many of the extensions I use are still not native in Joomla 1.5x.

<em>@eddiet 61848 wrote:</em><blockquote>
Teline II has the potential to be one of the greatest Joomla templates of all time,…</blockquote>

I will not argue with you on this. In fact, when I first became a member, my first few post (if not the first) was to advocate for Joomlart to create something like JA Teline II:

Teline Template and the iJoomla Portal News

http://www.joomlart.com/forums/topic/teline-template-and-the-ijoomla-portal-news/

posted the same day I became a member. I left Joomlart when they came up with a slew of templates that do not interest me, and came back only when they finally released a template that I wanted.

Here’s the deal, JA Teline works fine whether you use Joomla1.0x or Joomla1.5x — no one is forced to embrace one or the other. Eventually, it is your content that will determine whether you have a good site or not.

JA Teline II though is a far cry from the news-magazine template that I proposed to merav, the founder of iJoomla. What I have in mind is a template that would integrate the features of both the iJoomla News and the iJoomla Magazine so that it would be more like the features of online professional news-magazine.

It may take perhaps several evolutions before JA Teline will get there. Whichever company would come first, I will get there, paying more beats waiting years.

<em>@eddiet 61848 wrote:</em><blockquote>
…right now it is crippled by unresolved bugs and a templeate house that appears not to care.</blockquote>

I have been accused of being a recruiter for other templates companies for pointing some of these since I started here. There is no question that Joomlart is derilict in its duties, but no amount of crying may change the inertia anytime soon. Sure we should continue to make Joomlart aware of their negligence, and hope that they will change their ways. But we may be waiting in vain.

I would just as well take their templates, and find pro-active ways to make them better, learn the tools needed to make it work for me.

Towards this goal, to accelerate support for this, we are considering an independent collaborative self-help group, first focusing on JA Teline II, to address this issue.

I could be scathing with my criticism with Joomlart, but let us be realistic, many of our problems are self-induced – many of are are not really equipped technically to tackle what is needed to be creating websites — basic concept of html, php, css, scripting, server architecture (i.e., the scripts used to run and administer a site), etc.

We need to learn this, if our installations,

Many of us for example do not understand that copying text from Microsoft Word, Dreamweaver or directly from a website can destroy our a complex template like JA Teline.

Some editing scripts are better than others in being able to strip the mark ups from these rich scripted sources of text, so the choice of the webmaster makes a lot of difference.

Little knowledge can be harmful, little knowledge used improperly is fatal.

Crying and shouting foul may sooth the psyche but will not solve the problem.

Cornelio

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#255968

Its true that whenever we are using the built-in editor, never copy anything from richtect editors. I always use the notepad. I would first copy the content from elsewhere to the notepad. Then copy from notepad to Joomla. This way, we are less likely to mess things up.

Basically, my postings here are hoping other members that may know the answer to my issues to share their experience. That is why I also post whatever method I tried, issues I discovered, any symtoms as well.

I am not complaining anythings, I understand there sure are ways to solve it, I just hope that the community here can work together.

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#256312

Hi all
Can i mark this topic is solved?

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