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[dutton Friend duttonJoin date: February 2010Posts: 33Downloads:0Uploads:3 Thanks: 5]

#160467

Unless I am mistaken, Teline IV has the same problem as the earlier versions. To me this is a bit significant since “pictures” are so valuable in getting people to click on articles.

I am speaking of the thumbnail generation and display. Most pictures these days are predominantly ‘wide-format’. When Teline generates the thumbnails outside of the front page, all pictures are square and thus the content of the pictures is rarely within the shown space, at least in a presentable format.

I have tried the template, and I see no change. Am I missing something?

[Phill Moderator PhillJoin date: February 2014Posts: 7013Downloads:40Uploads:77 Thanks: 917 Thanked: 2206 times in 1818 posts]

#377584

Can you give me an image showing what you mean? If you simply want to adjust the shape of the thumbnails that is a simple edit to the plugin.

[dutton Friend duttonJoin date: February 2010Posts: 33Downloads:0Uploads:3 Thanks: 5]

#377596

Hi Phill, thanks for the reply. The problem with the previous versions which I know of, and was hard to edit properly, was that if you try to make the thumbnails more wide than tall, say 16:9 proportionally, all of the summary displays of the article intros would not display correctly, the image should have an option to display on top of the summary, not beside as it does now.

So yes, adjusting the sizes will work, but the location of their display should also be an option.

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#377598

The sizes of the thumbnails can be adjusted in janews_fp modules and also in the Thumbnail for Joomla Content plugin depending on which images you want to change. Moving the image to above the content would require a css or php modification so if you could post a link to your page where you want the change then I will be happy to help. Please make sure css optimization is set to “No” in the template manager first so we can see the correct css.

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#377606

Ok, I will give it another try and install it tonight. I will keep you posted.

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#377756

dutton,

I encountered the same problem. I have a similar issue.

In the full article itself I wanted the images to appear where I placed them, and also to have the large size images as I wanted, not the thumbhainled (to a fixed smaler size), as the default setting now in the front page and category pages, as well as the full article.

There is a related forum thread:

Default category image resizing. Or variable (proportional) image resizing

where dathq (JOOM staff) proposed a script change, where the thumbnail plugin is published.

I do not know the full ramification yet, but if I unpublished the thumbnail plugin, the original size that I wanted appeared in the full article, and also where I placed them. I can unpublish the thumbnail plugin because I do not use the “gallery module” shown in the Demo of Teline IV. I have not evaluated how unpublishing th thumbnail plugin would affect a site where the “gallery” is included.

Cornelio

<em>@dutton 222696 wrote:</em><blockquote>Hi Phill, thanks for the reply. The problem with the previous versions which I know of, and was hard to edit properly, was that if you try to make the thumbnails more wide than tall, say 16:9 proportionally, all of the summary displays of the article intros would not display correctly, the image should have an option to display on top of the summary, not beside as it does now.

So yes, adjusting the sizes will work, but the location of their display should also be an option.</blockquote>

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#377759

Surely it is a simpla metter of selecting the sizing you want. If you do not want the resize feature in a particular article then you simple add {jathumbnail off} where required. You can then manually size the images as you like. With the current plugin you cannot have different sizes in different categories and to add that feature would probably couse too much confusion for many users.

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#377777

Phil,

The issue is not as simple as you auggest. Most sites would have all sorts of sizes, 3×4, 6×4, etc., as well as extreme vertical and extreje horuzibtal (panoramic views). The current resizing process for the JA News, Front Page, and some other modules — even if the thumbnail plugin is unpublished — can only specify one fixed size or two for the JA News Frontpage (as configured).

As a result, you can have “headless” portraits” (for verticals) if you chose a “horizontal” (e.g., 6×4) image resize layout as default.

This was not always the case. In the orignal Teline, if remember correctly, several options were provided. Aoart from the default (uniform sizesI, one can fix the width (for aesthetic uniformity), and the height resizes proportionately, is one of the choices, provided. This will prevent headless portraits, or imagine Eifffel Tower, or the other extreme, a panoramic view — in a “square default” or whatever size chosen; not very nice.

For the full article, I unpublsh the thumbnail plugin, and that will take care of the images in full article. This is also where the SIGPRO comes in handy. Without manuallt nanually creating the “exact size”, in the full article, one can start with a large image, then with a simple one line script, one can have all sorts of sizes in the same page or various pages of full articles. The only catch with SIGPRO ia that it does not work for the front page or introductory pages. And, the professional version is not yet announced to be compatiible with Joomla 1.6. Surprisingly, the free version is compatible with both Joomla 1.5 and 1.6

Anyway, dathq (JOOM staff) indicated that he will look at the site. I will post the solution in the thread I liked in the previous post, when it gets resolved.

Cornelio

<em>@phill luckhurst 222898 wrote:</em><blockquote>Surely it is a simpla metter of selecting the sizing you want. If you do not want the resize feature in a particular article then you simple add {jathumbnail off} where required. You can then manually size the images as you like. With the current plugin you cannot have different sizes in different categories and to add that feature would probably couse too much confusion for many users.</blockquote>

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#377778

I do know what you are saying but how do you propose to have a uniform layout when all the images are different shapes? In this case I thing it is up to the page author to pick their images carefully. I can see no other way of automatically resizing images to fit the layout the way it currently is. A totally different layout would be required.

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#377785

Phil,

It has been done. Professional news and magazines do not have just one single uniform size. Joomlart used to have it as an option in the original Teline. It is a matter of scripting.

If you have not used SIGPRO (there is a free version), try it to see how one can have any size deried in the same or different pages for the full article — no further manual manipulation.

As to uniformity, it is not always the standard of aesthetically pleasing web layout. One can fixed the width, as I noted in the previous post, ro achieve some desired consistency (or in a sense “uniformity”) to achieve an aesthetically pleasing layout and yet with cariying size image ratios. There’s still compromise, especially in the front and intro page, but it is better than headless portraits, or a book image withot the title showing because they did not meet the “uniform” layout dimension.

Cornelio

<em>@phill luckhurst 222922 wrote:</em><blockquote>I do know what you are saying but how do you propose to have a uniform layout when all the images are different shapes? In this case I thing it is up to the page author to pick their images carefully. I can see no other way of automatically resizing images to fit the layout the way it currently is. A totally different layout would be required.</blockquote>

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#377792

But we are talking about the disign of THIS template here. Other layouts such a community+ have a fixed width with flexible height. SIGPRO is a totally different kind of tool. If it is so much better for your needs then use it. What you use on your website is up to you, that is part of the flexibility of Joomla. The JA Thumbnail plugin is just there to make life simple for the many user that enjoy it. The JA News FP module has its own resize features built in and with that you can setup many different option depending on the category or even position of the page you use it on. Or you could just simpy size all the images as you please manually the stnadard Joomla way. If you have a better method then feel free to come up with the code yourself and share it with the community.

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#377804

Phil,
desired some features like I did, that was why I shared how to go about how some of it could be achieved. As dutton mentioned, images play a significant role in newsmagazine, and must be represented more flexibly and in desired location not a fixed place. I am sure, dutton and I are not the only Teline users who wanted the same features.

One way towards that direction is to unpublish the thumbnail plugin (which waa also used in Teline III, not sure if it was in Teliine II). This worked for me.

I posted the other thread, in case dathq (JOOM staff) may be able to help resolve the issue, I will outline resolution in the other thread or in a website that I am creating to include many of the issues I raised here.

Did you mean JA Community is the one with fixed with and flexible height? What module in JA Community does that? I may be able to use it. I like the JA Community design. Unfortunately, it is not a newsmagazine template. It would be easier to cherry pick the features of other templates and integrate them into the general layout framework of the Teline series newsmagazine template.

If I knew even the slightest of scripting, I would have designed my own newsmagazine template many years ago. But, I am not a programmer and do not have the time right now to go back to the basics of scripting. So, I rely on others. Joomlart has the only decent Joomla newsmagazine portal template that I like. That is the Teline series.

I am using the overall framework of Teliine IV Joomla 1.6, as starting point. For a user like myself with almost zero skills in scripting, Teline IV has the most flexible overall design already in place, to allow more flexible customization. That’s why I am excited to try it, even if it still has quite a few bugs that needed to be resolved.

The revised Newsflash in Teline IV Joomla 1.6 has great potential, if the reszing issues and other features of Teline IV I posted are resolved. The ramdomized feature of the JA News Feature module (the equivalent of JA News FP) in Joomla 1.6 Teline IV is also a a nice touch — but this module aso has some bugs that I have not reported yet.

For my site, I am customizing the Teline IV Joomla 1.6 mainly around these two modules plus the default category intro module as the basis of article presentation. I requested for the Teline II Joomla 1.6 more than a month ago because even if I use Teline IV, there are two modules there that I could incorporate to my Teline IV Joomla 1.6.

And yes, SIGPRO (or an equivalent, if I can find a replacement) will play a major role in a more versatile and easy presentation of images of varying sized in the full article. I cited it here also because it is one way that dutton may consider to achieve some of the image presentation features he wanted, at least in the full article.

There are one or two more extensions from third parties that I would integrate. But those will be integrated once the Teline IV Joomla 1.6 issues have been resolved.

Cornelio

N.B. It is taking me longer to create a decent Sandbox, suitable for actual site because, as you stated, I have to manually customize the images to the exact speciifcation of a location. Also, I have to resort to “multiple image” as starting point when flexible resizing is not an option. Otherwise, the “text wrap in” messes up the layout.

<em>@phill luckhurst 222945 wrote:</em><blockquote>But we are talking about the disign of THIS template here. Other layouts such a community+ have a fixed width with flexible height. SIGPRO is a totally different kind of tool. If it is so much better for your needs then use it. What you use on your website is up to you, that is part of the flexibility of Joomla. The JA Thumbnail plugin is just there to make life simple for the many user that enjoy it. The JA News FP module has its own resize features built in and with that you can setup many different option depending on the category or even position of the page you use it on. Or you could just simpy size all the images as you please manually the stnadard Joomla way. If you have a better method then feel free to come up with the code yourself and share it with the community.</blockquote>

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