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#255614

<em>@VisiGod 61461 wrote:</em><blockquote>
And with your propaganda, are you paid for that?</blockquote>
Seriously . . . Are you 14 yrs old or something ??

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#255627

<em>@tcraw1010 61383 wrote:</em><blockquote>You all demanded two templates a month when it was brought up for discussion…</blockquote>

Hi Tom,

I cannot find the Poll started by Hung, if I am mistaken.

May you or one of the Moderators, or Hung himself provide a link to the Poll that I am talking about?

Before I went away from Joomlart since early February 2008 — and came back and participate again, only when JA Teline II was created — as far as I remember, the poll was very tight 55% vs 45% or it even got tighter, in favor a one template a month.

If that is the case, it is incorrect to state … “B]You all[/B] demanded two templates a month…” In
fact, even if those who voted for “..two-templates a month” were in the majority, it is not still correct to say “You all...demanded two templates a month…” because it was not ever 100% for one side, or the other.

Besides, besides, unless “You are” the only one who voted for “…one-template a month”, it is a gross distortion to state “…. You all demanded two templates a month… ” There are those who stated that they voted for one template a month. I am one of them, and should be obvious in my post in that forum… So, unless we are lying to our teeth….

We don’t know exactly who voted what but the Poll stats alone show that, many many many, or a majority voted for one template a month when it was brought up for discussion…”

<em>@tcraw1010 61383 wrote:</em><blockquote>…- this is what you get when you rush things.</blockquote>

as written, this seems to suggest a concession to as to the quality of the template being…”()”?

I am still interested to know the final result of the Poll. But, whatever it is, as the company, the final decision must be made by Joomlart. If they do not have enough staff to meet the two per month quota, then they should hire more staff so as not to be rushed. Otherwise, if there is financial difficulty to do so, then it must consider that it is imperative to go to one template per month and see what happens.

Again, it was not the customers who rushed Joomlart, to conclude hastily <em>@tcraw1010 61383 wrote:</em><blockquote>…- this is what you get when you rush things.</blockquote>

Cornelio

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#255628

<em>@VisiGod 61461 wrote:</em><blockquote>
And with your propaganda, are you paid for that?</blockquote>

<em>@tcraw1010 61493 wrote:</em><blockquote>Seriously . . . Are you 14 yrs old or something ??

</blockquote>

Now we are down to name calling.

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#255630

lets just go ahead and move on from if its 1 or 2 templates a month.
Although I must say, this template didn’t do too much for me, but I am sure someone can use it.

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#255631

As stated, it is not the question. There is a trade agreement. JA must follow their trade agreement.

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#255636

No more ideas?

http://www.demo.youjoomla.com/Instock15/

http://template15.joomlart.com/ja_kulanite/index.php

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#255639

<em>@tifa29 61522 wrote:</em><blockquote>No more ideas?

http://www.demo.youjoomla.com/Instock15/

http://template15.joomlart.com/ja_kulanite/index.php</blockquote>

LOL, WTF IS THIS

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#255640

ok, i think we all can see that its similar, and maybe they got inspired from it. I think we can safely say that there are quite a few people unsatisfied with the current trend in templates. So what now? Complaints are good, they drive the model, and hopefully the staff listen and can make improvements or at least offer explanations. Perhaps their business model perpetuates such a design method. shrug.

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#255643

<em>@VisiGod 61452 wrote:</em><blockquote>Well,
I have been around and I would state it clearly: JA business model is in building the demo. Once its there, works fine, they don’t care about what you (us) think.

Why? No idea. This is just the way they work. They try to attract new customers (seems to be working, when these do not have access to the private forums), because new customers generate the current cash flow income. The current one only demand. Why should they listen the current, as they already paid?
That is how it works. And from financial perspective it appears to be working fine.
That’s why, I am pretty sure nothing in the quality will change with such move.</blockquote>

Just curious VisiGod,

If your view of Joomlart is dismal… I wonder what good it will do, to stick around? When I got tired with Joomlart… in early February 2008 I left , even if I paid them for a year’s membership until August 2008and had no intention to come back until they come up with a good template. I did that and came back here sometime near the end of May 2008, more like early June actually because I was swamped with personal matters more pressing to attend to.

I came back because of JA Teline II — nothing else excites me among the choices from the time I left and came back.

Yes, it has bugs, but as I stated not of all it is really the template, from my own experience. And, judging from the forum, some of the errors that cause much frustrations is self-induced by the inexperience of some new users. I am cautious to .embrace Joomla 1.5x because that is where I found some fatal bugs.

I do criticize Joomlart, and am one with you with the scathing criticism of their inability to provide well-written Manuals and other guidelines. As much as there are many willing to help — they must not depend on these customers and Moderators to do the work for them.

But, as much as I state this, the reality is that for my needs, I have not found anything better than JA Teline II from other companies.

If I have even a tenth of your scripting skills and knowledge of Joomla, I would not even bother spending time criticizing Joomlart. I would instead use the time to create my own templates, at least the scripting part. But, I would still be wanting in making it aesthetically nice to look at.

So, I am here still because I cannot do what Joomlart staff can. If my posting the next day that I joined indeed led to JA Teline II, then hope is not lost. But even if it was not due to my early that led to JA Teline II, the fact that they came up with the like of JA Teline II first and not any other template company says much about Joomlart can be.

My interest is to have the template that I want — if I get it from Joomlart, or Gavick, or RocketTheme, or whichever company, I will not hesitate to pay for it — because I cannot do it myself.

If you think you can do better than Joomlart, then maybe we should talk. We could test how good your ideas are.

<em>@VisiGod 61461 wrote:</em><blockquote>Yes, I am, because once “chanced” there will be no way back and we will have one borring template per month. Now the chance something good to come is double.
</blockquote>

I do not understand this. Are you suggesting that two is better than one because there is a better chance, statistically?

What if the very foundation is as rotten as you seem to suggest, that Joomlart staff are the snake oil merchants of the template industry? What if all they do is take advantage of new members? Wil there really be a greater chance of getting a good template, at all?

Cornelio

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#255646

<em>@cgc0202 61530 wrote:</em><blockquote>Just curious VisiGod,

If your view of Joomlart is dismal… I wonder what good it will do, to stick around? When I got tired with Joomlart… in early February 2008 I left , even if I paid them for a year’s membership until August 2008and had no intention to come back until they come up with a good template. I did that and came back here sometime near the end of May 2008, more like early June actually because I was swamped with personal matters more pressing to attend to.

I came back because of JA Teline II — nothing else excites me among the choices from the time I left and came back.

Yes, it has bugs, but as I stated not of all it is really the template, from my own experience. And, judging from the forum, some of the errors that cause much frustrations is self-induced by the inexperience of some new users. I am cautious to .embrace Joomla 1.5x because that is where I found some fatal bugs.

I do criticize Joomlart, and am one with you with the scathing criticism of their inability to provide well-written Manuals and other guidelines. As much as there are many willing to help — they must not depend on these customers and Moderators to do the work for them.

But, as much as I state this, the reality is that for my needs, I have not found anything better than JA Teline II from other companies.

If I have even a tenth of your scripting skills and knowledge of Joomla, I would not even bother spending time criticizing Joomlart. I would instead use the time to create my own templates, at least the scripting part. But, I would still be wanting in making it aesthetically nice to look at.

So, I am here still because I cannot do what Joomlart staff can. If my posting the next day that I joined indeed led to JA Teline II, then hope is not lost. But even if it was not due to my early that led to JA Teline II, the fact that they came up with the like of JA Teline II first and not any other template company says much about Joomlart can be.

My interest is to have the template that I want — if I get it from Joomlart, or Gavick, or RocketTheme, or whichever company, I will not hesitate to pay for it — because I cannot do it myself.

If you think you can do better than Joomlart, then maybe we should talk. We could test how good your ideas are.</blockquote>
I am good in other things, where I am pretty well known. I am not good in design, therefore I pay for it. And I pay it, I expect quality, do you have problems with that?

<blockquote>I do not understand this. Are you suggesting that two is better than one because there is a better chance, statistically?

What if the very foundation is as rotten as you seem to suggest, that Joomlart staff are the snake oil merchants of the template industry? What if all they do is take advantage of new members? Wil there really be a greater chance of getting a good template, at all?

Cornelio</blockquote>
Yes, statistically the change is better. JA failed to prove in any way that they can produce bug-free templates, so prior to changing, let them push a little and produce two feature full bug free templates. If they can prove they can do it and just need some more time for that, I would vote for 1 template per month.
As of now, there are only indications that they don’t care at all.

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#255651

<em>@nathanbohn 61527 wrote:</em><blockquote>ok, i think we all can see that its similar, and maybe they got inspired from it. I think we can safely say that there are quite a few people unsatisfied with the current trend in templates. So what now? Complaints are good, they drive the model, and hopefully the staff listen and can make improvements or at least offer explanations. Perhaps their business model perpetuates such a design method. shrug.</blockquote>

Well, Nathan,

I have proposed quite a few since I started here in early August 2007. It is not that there were a dearth of suggestions — Joomlart seems to be just impervious to them

My question to you is this: As a Moderator, how are you using your influence to let the Joomlart staff know what is going on.

That is one of the things that a Moderator should do. And, communicate to us the point of view of the Joomlart staff — what they are prepared to do. If not, a Moderator has failed in its duty. And all our rantings here are moot .

Cornelio

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#255652

I would love to pass info on to them, but i am as listened to as you are. It seems like the Developers and the support staff are on 2 different worlds. I am here in my free time and try and do what I can, but it seems like those who try to help out are doing so in an attempt to help out with little or direction from developers. I can not claim 100% truth on this as I am only conveying my story, however I feel that this is a common thing among us helpers.

I get “points” for helping out where I can, but i feel as though I am not on the totem pole let alone near the bottom.

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#255653

<em>@tifa29 61522 wrote:</em><blockquote>No more ideas?

http://www.demo.youjoomla.com/Instock15/

http://template15.joomlart.com/ja_kulanite/index.php</blockquote>

You must admit, if forced to choose between the two, I have no question what I would pick.:)

Cornelio

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#255654

<em>@nathanbohn 61527 wrote:</em><blockquote>Complaints are good, they drive the model, and hopefully the staff listen and can make improvements or at least offer explanations.</blockquote>
Hehehe, and tell me they listen?

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#255655

<em>@nathanbohn 61539 wrote:</em><blockquote>I would love to pass info on to them, but i am as listened to as you are. It seems like the Developers and the support staff are on 2 different worlds. I am here in my free time and try and do what I can, but it seems like those who try to help out are doing so in an attempt to help out with little or direction from developers. I can not claim 100% truth on this as I am only conveying my story, however I feel that this is a common thing among us helpers.

I get “points” for helping out where I can, but i feel as though I am not on the totem pole let alone near the bottom.</blockquote>

Then you are being used, if they do not even listen to you guys — cheaper than cheap labor because you are not even being paiid.

Cornelio

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