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#132489

Do we just want to read those that agree with us?

Cornelio

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#266629

Its a shame the posts are closed, but its understandable when members turn other people posts into petty arguments.

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#266631

I’ve just read a couple of the closed threads and I thought they were fairly calm discussions?

Ah well, I’m sure somebody will be along to close this one shortly 😉

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#266632

mfcphil – I certainly would not agree with the comment “it’s understandable when members turn other people posts into petty argument” in being sure you are referring to the “Olivine is one of the best!” threads.

questbg – if you are referring to the thread “Olivine is one of the best!” I would agree there was “fairly calm discussions.”

I contributed to the thread that was shut down because a poster brought to attention a URL http://www.rocketthemetemplates.com/.

The URL points infact to joomlart’s front page.

I am not an employee of Rockettheme and I am not a lawyer but I tell you I would be mighty pissed off and would take legal action for someone highjacking another templates clubs name and adding on “template” to steer them towards another club site. This is not to say that any joomlart employee / employer was involved.

But alas the URL http://www.rocketthemetemplates.com/ does point towards joomlart.com and would swiftly qualify for a breach of trade practices.

That is IMO why the thread was shut down – and one may expect this post / thread to be also ignored or closed.

I have enjoyed my time and had fun with joomlart templates but I would NOT resign as management do not contend with worthwhile criticism, and particularly, the management of this site (if they do not look into the http://www.rocketthemetemplates.com/ sham) would be effectively condoning the (name/site-jacking) behaviour.

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#266637

That’s the thing, provided people stat on topic and they are not killing each other with their words — character assassination — threads must not be closed.

If Moderators want, they should call the attention of members who they thought were offensive. Of course there is the usual Tom the defender of Joomlart and many of the rest in one thread saying how they did not like Olivine — it was not unanimous.

But, above those exchanges, I thought there was a good exchange actually between Tom and Mark and a few people about whether templates should be customized or used out of the box. They touched a key issue regarding generic templates.

While Olivine may not be my first choice, it is one of the few templates that I like for a long time. It is clean with not much “whistles and bells”, and with white background instead of those multishades — it lends itself to much easier customization.

In a planned contribution to the closed, I was supposed to suggest that I like to look at the artistic creation that Nagya has become but unless it is used as is (a position espoused by Mark), it would be difficult to customize Nagya. Try replacing the logo for example, if you do not have the proper software, the clock and the “flowery” motif. Some colors (thus also images) may not blend well with the shades of colors used. However, if you strip Nagya with those well integrated shades, what have you got left?

But, if you do not customize Nagya and just change the logo and the contents, it would be like a mass of people wearing the same brown corduroy pants with all those same decorations.

This ability to customize is not a problem with Olivine (Tom being the main proponent) — white blends with so many shades of color. No difficulty using almost any image, creating a well-blended logo, etc.

In another thread, I already discussed the “limitations” of Olivine and how they can be easily remedied , so I will not repeat those here.

Keep it simple and clean

Instead, the simple and clean design of Olivine must not be considered as weaknesses but its strengths.

Has someone seen the minimalist “blog” format of Word Press? There is almost nothing in there. One person I knew used it to present his poems — 1 per page, with just the muted logo, and a few links below and to the side it was so elegant.

It is the contents that matter

I bet if one removes the domain and logo of the Apple site and presented here, it will get a greater condemnation than Olivine. How about Craigslist? Wikipedia? And yet, the Apple site Wikipedia and Craigslist are among the most visited sites in the world.

Nice layout is desirable but eventually it is the contents that make visitor comeback.

Cornelio

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#266640

Cornelio,

I think your post is spot on! ‘provided people stat on topic and they are not killing each other with their words’ and ‘eventually it is the contents that make visitor comeback.’

The overriding observations I’ve made in getting involved with joomla and templates sites is what is on offer in terms of form (layout) and functionality.

The ‘style’ or ‘template design factor’ remains second place.

The problem can be “style” can impede upon form and function. Some template styles actually need to stand alone and be unaltered because their style just ‘is’ and they are truly beautiful.

But alas, until the ability to alter the form(ation) and function of a template is less painless, we’ll probably like to stick with the basic ‘style’ to guide the content inlayed.

(The following is not a racist comment) I just wish there was more interaction with the ‘global community’ at times, as in this such site venture (joomlart) there is definitely an asian influence overriding and it would be a credit to the club owners to embrace the constructive criticism that people go out of their way to provide.

oxygenhc

Hoping joomlart lift their game

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#266657

This is yet another disapoinment with Joomlart and the way they are taking this site. I am starting to think that what they want to acheive is quantity and not quality.

Yet again, they are not listining to us, closing good discussions on the same topic, why? >:(

Its making me frustrated with this site more than ever. Don’t get me wrong, some of the ideas and designs are fantastic but they are started to lack creativity……

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#266674

oxygenhc;75094mfcphil – I certainly would not agree with the comment “it’s understandable when members turn other people posts into petty argument” in being sure you are referring to the “Olivine is one of the best!” threads.

questbg – if you are referring to the thread “Olivine is one of the best!” I would agree there was “fairly calm discussions.”

I contributed to the thread that was shut down because a poster brought to attention a URL http://www.rocketthemetemplates.com/.

The URL points infact to joomlart’s front page.

I am not an employee of Rockettheme and I am not a lawyer but I tell you I would be mighty pissed off and would take legal action for someone highjacking another templates clubs name and adding on “template” to steer them towards another club site. This is not to say that any joomlart employee / employer was involved.

But alas the URL http://www.rocketthemetemplates.com/ does point towards joomlart.com and would swiftly qualify for a breach of trade practices.

That is IMO why the thread was shut down – and one may expect this post / thread to be also ignored or closed.

I have enjoyed my time and had fun with joomlart templates but I would NOT resign as management do not contend with worthwhile criticism, and particularly, the management of this site (if they do not look into the http://www.rocketthemetemplates.com/ sham) would be effectively condoning the (name/site-jacking) behaviour.

Hi everyone,
First of all, let’s look at the WHOIS record of the rocketthemetemplates.com
2563

Secondly, I officially announce that JoomlArt have no relationship or in no way contacted with the owner of rocketthemetemplates.com about the redirecting of this domain to JoomlArt.com

So, it is ashame that we come to conclusion of someone that JA is breaching trade practices without enough and careful findings. oxygenhc, we need your apology on this conclusion because it has ruined the fame of JA

I have also sent an email to Rockettheme to elaborate this misunderstanding.

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#266676

After looking at the way of redirection, I found out that the owner of the rocketthemetemplates.com – Jeffre, is one of JoomlArt affiliate.

Although the affiliate links generated from redirection is not prohibited in JA Affiliate Agreement and the user have full right in redirecting his domain as the domain owner but I have also contacted Jeffrey to politely remove the redirect
I agree that this is not a good business practice.

This thread should be moved to Public chat because it has gone out of the discussion of JA Olivine. Also, I do not see any point in continuing this discussion, however I feel a apology from oxygenhc is a good post to close this thread.

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#266681

In reply to you post.

I feel no need to apologise for matters brought to the attention of other member relating to a occurrence I had no part in.

As I have made clear… I have stated in the thread “This is not to say that any joomlart employee / employer was involved.”

If your policy and practice does not concern keeping in check affiliates or other who defame you I cannot be blamed for anything.

It is your responsibly to keep in check those who you affiliate with – not mine.

I do not apologise for any post I have and I thank you for taking notice of matters which may effect you company.

That is all!

Should you wish to puruse any matter please do not hesitate to contact me. Personally. Contact details are held with you.

oxygenhc

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#266692

<em>@oxygenhc 75094 wrote:</em><blockquote>mfcphil – I certainly would not agree with the comment “it’s understandable when members turn other people posts into petty argument” in being sure you are referring to the “Olivine is one of the best!” threads..</blockquote>

I was not referring to any post in particular, just a general comment about posts that are closed when members are clearly rowing and posts that go way off topic. 🙂

I totally agree that all other posts should be kept open.

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#266823

I was trying to veer the discussion to Olivine, but it looks like the side controversy about that dreaded domain hijacked this thread.

Personally, I do not think the other threads was closed because of the controversy regarding that dreaded domain. So the milk was spilled and we go from there.

And here is what I observed.

1. That site is still redirecting to Joomlart.
2. The owner is a Joomlart Affiliate
3. The owner of that dreaded site has been contacted by Hung
4. Apology was sent to RocketTheme

But, is it enough? If I were Joomlart (or Hung), I would not rest with the aforementioned. Right away, I would be forceful to inform the owner of that dreaded site to desist, and if need be legal action will be taken. I would drop the owner also as an affiliate because whether we like it or not – it will appear to the eyes of the world that it is with tacit content of Joomlart.

I do not own Joomlart though and I am not Hung.:) So, it is not for me to decide. what Joomlart should and should not do.

I still maintain that there are too many unwanted closing of posts these days. That is my last comment in this thread, and I hope I will not be sucked back in again.

Good luck to all.

Cornelio

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