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[Hung Dinh Friend Hung DinhJoin date: September 2014Posts: 4408Downloads:11Uploads:189 Thanks: 309 Thanked: 3310 times in 3 posts]

#251176

jonathanretting,
Let’s be cool and look back what has happened. Menalto removed your showcase submission because it is against our Terms of use of the templates.

We reserve the right to claim the designed by JoomlArt copywright information.

How would you feel if someone claim that they are the designer of a product you designed your self?

It is all about the “word” jonathanretting. So be patient and we will settle it down.

I we are wrong, we will correct. But we need everyone respect our hard work, respect our property.

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#251177

Im am respecting your and work promoting it on your forums. Until my topic was locked and buried.

Please provide me with legal documentation which prevents me from using the word “designed” in copyright text. Until then i will continue to use to the word “designed” As it may not be acceptable in your forums, it sure is acceptable from a legal standpoint.

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#251180

This is quite an interesting topic to me as I’ve just joined and downloaded my first template.

Surely there’s some kind of common ground here that will satisfy both Supplier and Client?

I’m not sure how I’ll handle this myself when I get round to the actual site, but would something like:

“Copyright (c) 2008 Company Name.com Designed by John Smith using Joomlart”

be acceptable?

I think I’d be happy enough with that on the front page

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1. jonathanretting

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#251182

Thanks Guest BG. Im not trying to be provocatorial, im simply trying to get to the root of something. There is a mighty grey line, which needs to be explained.

Thanks.

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#251184

I think if this can be clarified and then stuck in FAQ’s, it would help future members decide on the exact wording in the copyright line, whilst satisfying any requirements with regards the template.

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1. jonathanretting

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#251185

Exactly. Thank you for you thoughtfull post.

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#251187

IT is in the FAQ: http://www.joomlart.com/joomla_templates_club_faqs/448.html
And have been all the time:

Can I remove JoomlArt Copyright?
Written by Hung Dinh
Yes. You can edit or remove the JoomlArt copyright information at the bottom of the template. You can claim the copyright notice "All right reserved", however the claim on creation of the template, such as:"Designed by Your Company"...are not allowed. Allowed: Copyright � 2005 - 2006 Your Company. Developed by Your Company Not Allowed : Copyright � 2005 - 2006 Your Company. Designed by Your Company

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#251188

Please provide me with legal documentation which prevents me from using the saying “Designed By”. If this isn’t provided, its only a “please don’t do this”. It is not something im obligated to abide by.

Because im a nice guy and won’t use the word “designed” just because you all ask, and that im a decent guy, and i have no obligation todo so, i will change it.

As it stands right now, Joomlart is asking “Please don’t use Designed By ___ in your sites copyright. However you have no legal obligation todo so.

I hope someone will correct me if im wrong.

As it stand Joomlart would prefer you to use “Developed by” or “created by” instead of designed by.

Thanks.

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#251190

Thanks Menalto, I did read that this morning.

I’m not sure it’s too clear though:

“Copyright � 2005 – 2006 Your Company. Developed by Your Company Not Allowed : Copyright � 2005 – 2006 Your Company. Designed by Your Company”

Not that I want to take any sides here, but I think the ‘design’ thing needs further clarification.

Surely all logos, other images, pod casts, videos, photography, colours, text, etc., that are used on a client site have been ‘designed’ by that client, but using a Joomlart template?

Therefore, surely my earlier idea of something along the lines of:
“Copyright 2008 Blahblah.com Designed by Mr. Smith of BlahBlah.com using Joomlart template Teline II”

would be acceptable to all concerened?

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#251202

<em>@jonathanretting 56064 wrote:</em><blockquote>Please provide me with legal documentation which prevents me from using the saying “Designed By”. If this isn’t provided, its only a “please don’t do this”. It is not something im obligated to abide by.

Because im a nice guy and won’t use the word “designed” just because you all ask, and that im a decent guy, and i have no obligation todo so, i will change it.

As it stands right now, Joomlart is asking “Please don’t use Designed By ___ in your sites copyright. However you have no legal obligation todo so.

I hope someone will correct me if im wrong.

As it stand Joomlart would prefer you to use “Developed by” or “created by” instead of designed by.

Thanks.</blockquote>

Here is the legal document
http://www.joomlart.com/terms_of_use.html
Customer who purchase our templates are required accept the Terms of Use

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#251206

<em>@Hung Dinh 56083 wrote:</em><blockquote>Here is the legal document
http://www.joomlart.com/terms_of_use.html
Customer who purchase our templates are required accept the Terms of Use</blockquote>

Hello Hung Dinh

Thank you for your kind reply and link to the Terms of Use.

I am not taking either side here, I’m just a newbie!. However I think there is a slight ‘grey area’ with the word ‘design’ here which can be easily fixed.

Your Terms of Use state:
“You can edit or remove the JoomlArt copyright information at the bottom of the template. You can claim the copyright notice “All right reserved”, however the claim on creation of the template, such as:”Designed by Your Company”…are not allowed. Allowed: Copyright � 2005 – 2006 Your Company. Developed by Your Company.”

I’m not sure anyone here wants to claim ‘design’ of the template, only ‘design’ of the internet site in question on which they have spent many hours/days of work.

So, with this in mind, I ask once again … would the following phrase be acceptable on our front page:
“Copyright 2008 Blahblah.com Designed by Mr. Smith of BlahBlah.com using Joomlart template Teline II”

If so, then I think we (well, me at least) have a happy resolution to the problem. 🙂

JoomlArt have credit for the template design, and any web designers have credit for the overall site design, which does not detract or take away from their own web design skills?

A topic worthy of further, calm, discussion until a sensible resolution is reached.

Thanks everyone!
Chris

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#251215

<em>@jonathanretting 56028 wrote:</em><blockquote>Im sorry im confused….. Am i the one who went all Gestapo? Don’t think so. I hope your boss reprimands you.</blockquote>
Nothing really to be so confused about . . . You’re the one who started ranting about something that was clearly explained within the membership guidelines – yet you decided to violate anyway. Not to mention thinking you were clever, or that it would somehow be a threat,in bringing in the name of another template club . . . and one who values flash over function, at that. (Believe you me, YooTheme is no threat to JoomlART).

Look, one day you’re going to have to come to the realization that constructive and respectful communication breeds constructive and respectful responses. You reap what you sow.

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#251216

Seems to me that you agreed not to place Designed by yourself or anyone else when you agreed to the terms and conditions when you joined the club..You also agreed not to try and send others to other companies.

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#251326

jonathanretting;56051Im am respecting your and work promoting it on your forums. Until my topic was locked and buried.

Please provide me with legal documentation which prevents me from using the word “designed” in copyright text. Until then i will continue to use to the word “designed” As it may not be acceptable in your forums, it sure is acceptable from a legal standpoint.[/quote]

jonathanretting;56048I don’t care about special treatment. The professionalism of the templates is enough. As of right now im awaiting the “legal documentation” which prevents me from using the word “designed”. Until i have received these documents i have done nothing wrong.[/quote]

instantinlaw wrote:

BTW, Jonathan is a loyal customer, he referred many other customers to JA, I’m not wondering if he will get some special treatment.

instantinlaw wrote:

Its not about the “word” being used anymore. Its about how Joomlart conducted themselves. Moreover Joomlart, technically has no claim over the “word” in question. An doesn’t not give them the right to treat multiple years paying members in this fashion.

Plagiarism is the practice of claiming or implying original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else’s written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one’s own without adequate acknowledgement. Unlike cases of forgery, in which the authenticity of the writing, document, or some other kind of object itself is in question, plagiarism is concerned with the issue of false attribution.
Posted with permission from Wikipedia under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License

Now if I claimed that I wrote the above quote I would be doing the exact same thing you guys are doing or defending.

Get it now?

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#256450

A long time ago, i used unlicensed templates and edit copyright line to “Designed by me…”
Then, i released that it was not designed by me, and i change it to the original.

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